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huw.thomas

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Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #96 on: March 15, 2017, 08:27:42 AM »
Does the future depend on us or God ?

Paul answers this when speaking to the Athenians, ?For in him we live, and stir, and be;? Acts 17:28 Must be read in context obviously, but this verse set me off to study subatomic particles and quantum mechanics. My reasoning being, that to control or have power over events, then it is necessary to control time, matter and space. He does again, obviously!

Each and every blessing, H.

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #97 on: May 05, 2017, 03:03:41 AM »
I get cheesed off when pious christians tell me they are going through a "Job period of testing", when in reality its usually because they are trying to sort out a mess of their own carnal making.

God said that there was nobody on earth like Job, thus he was a special target of Satan.
Satan is a one man band and not omni present, so unless we have the spiritual status of Job, we shouldn't get above ourselves.

Like Moses or Abraham, Job had set himself completely apart to serve the Lord.
Satan boastfully stood before God and declared that he had been "Walking to and fro on the earth" which is an idiom which simply means, "I've been surveying my domain!" God's answer was, "Really, what about Job then?"
God knew that a war would start, but despite the horror that he would go through, Job was up for it.
1Cor10v13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
I see Job's future entirely in his own hands.
Job could have been like his friends or his wife, and just rolled over and died after cursing God. Instead Job stood faithfully by everything he knew about the character of God. That is why God was able to heal and restore double.

...............and nothing of what happened on earth, is an indication of the eternal status of his family members.No, I do not see the Lord changing his character one bit.
God knew exactly what Job was capable of and dealt with him in the light of that. He does exactly the same with Abraham, with you, and with me.

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I get cheesed off when pious christians tell me they are going through a "Job period of testing", when in reality its usually because they are trying to sort out a mess of their own carnal making.

Well most of the troubles of Job are about the loss of people around him - which was out of his control entirely

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he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear

2 Corinthians 1:8 We do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about the troubles we experienced in the province of Asia. We were under great pressure, far beyond our ability to endure, so that we despaired of life itself.

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God knew exactly what Job was capable of and dealt with him in the light of that. He does exactly the same with Abraham, with you, and with me.






Offline francis drake

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #98 on: May 05, 2017, 04:57:40 PM »
1Cor10v13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

2 Corinthians 1:8 We do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about the troubles we experienced in the province of Asia. We were under great pressure, far beyond our ability to endure, so that we despaired of life itself.
You obviously thought you had a contradiction to my post Tes. But they refer to two entirely different things.
My original scripture quote 1Cor10v13 refers to temptation, and the choices we might need to make.
Your scripture quote 2Cor1v8 refers to physical hardship that nearly killed them.

The two verses are entirely compatible.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #99 on: January 18, 2018, 03:48:32 AM »
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I get cheesed off when pious christians tell me they are going through a "Job period of testing", when in reality its usually because they are trying to sort out a mess of their own carnal making.