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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2016, 01:41:54 AM »
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The prodigal was always his father's son. Nevertheless he walked far from the blessing that such a position granted him. Just like Israel and like most Christians.

Do any of us receive the full blessing of God ? and what is God's blessing ?

Sometimes the blessing of God can be hidden in rough times as that is when we learn the most

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2016, 01:46:14 AM »
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Nope Q. You are wrong, our decision is above God's when it comes to surrendering our life to him

Do you think there are times when God intervenes in our lives and overcomes us ?

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2016, 02:29:27 AM »
It is true that all through Israel's history God called out to His chosen nation.

He heard the cries of His people when they were enslaved and saved them and brought them out Exodus 3:7 The LORD said, "I have indeed seen the misery of my people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their slave drivers, and I am concerned about their suffering.


And

Deuteronomy 7:6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

Yet God picked out certain people out of this nation such as Elijah and Elisha, Moses and Job etc [also those who are not written about in the bible]

It seems although His people were chosen to perform what God had prepared in advance - they did not always do as He wanted - thus many fell in the desert or were exiled.

So I might agree with your posts when aligning this with scripture.

However God has the final say "as to whom enters and who does not"

Lets finish my posting with Matthew 21:31  ?Which of the two did his father?s will? ?? The first,? they said. Jesus said to them, ?I assure you : Tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you!


Would assume that after "they did God's Will [however what if I die before ever being able to do God's will ?]

Now I am like one never having a will and never having a choice [but I am now in heaven]  get my drift ?

So the overalling thing here is that God choses who are Hid regardless of their desicions.

In other words even if I am never born to be " born again"

The overuling thing here is God and His sovereign Will over my life [which never happened]

I mean the whole concept means that I am already a perfect person and able to understand a relationship.

It must mean that I am born without defect- therefore it is now about me and not about what God can do.

This theory  or theology assumes that I am in the mainstream of  human living and I do not have any disabilty.

thus any inability to hear or see or to interact must assume hell instead of heaven.

Thus this is not only ethnic cleansing but God "discriminating" 

This sounds more like a persons view rather than God.

Therefore here you might suggest that God treats these people people differently.

I do not think so.as many have relatonal difficulties due to many problems either due to early life development or due to inabilities.

They are now assigned to death along with "other nations"


Therefore as far as I am concerned I not only have a "good life" but I am also assigned to hell [because I never matched up to the scriptures]

So never known a true relationship or being unable to communicate as normal - it is now assumed that I am as those of Israel who never responded to God [as I should] therefore this is no more than a law and not God's Grace.

Here it is not about God in my life but about "what I do" and "how I respond" [even though I may have dementia [it means I am walking away from God and therefore I have lost God ]

Even though I have lost my mind - now God rejects me. [I mention dementia - but some are born with inabilities and others simply have an inability due to a bad parental beginning.

Now they are no longer part of God's plan or God's working.

So you see [I hope] where our desicions regarding eternal llife  are void and non reliant.





Offline francis drake

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2016, 09:55:13 AM »
So we walk in and out of things He prepared for us.........however what we do - should not make any difference to our eternal state while on earth - would you agrre with this ?

We are in agreement.........................Praise the Lord...................!!!!

In fact most believers never get any of the "fringe benefits" of being a born again son of the Most High God. They live out their lives much the same as unbelievers.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline francis drake

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #60 on: October 06, 2016, 10:25:39 AM »
Do any of us receive the full blessing of God ? and what is God's blessing ?

Sometimes the blessing of God can be hidden in rough times as that is when we learn the most

I doubt if anyone of us receives the full blessing available to us. In his life on earth, Jesus demonstrated what was available, but then surrendered it all for our sakes.

One of the most basic benefits that all Christians should walk in is peace of heart. I am not talking about peaceful circumstances, but inner peace, a peace which passes all understanding and which remains there in the worst of times.

Phil4v6Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

That peace enables us to look all adversity in the face with a real sense of the presence of the Lord deep within.

That is the inheritance of the children of God. That peace overcomes all depression, all bereavements, all job losses, all car crashes, all sicknesses, all wars, all house fires, all betrayals, all abuse, all divorces, all thefts etc.

These are all genuine tragedies which cripple our understanding, yet the peace of God completely surpasses whatever real time understanding we might have.
ie. The wonderful peace of God prevents the worst of circumstances overwhelming us.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline francis drake

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #61 on: October 06, 2016, 10:31:22 AM »
Do you think there are times when God intervenes in our lives and overcomes us ?

Whenever God intervenes, you will find that somewhere along the way, you have given permission.

That permission includes the likes of singing hymns. If we sing "Jesus is Lord", or proclaim "I surrender all" then we have given him permission.
However when he starts doing things, we all too frequently withdraw that permission by various kneejerk reactions against what is now happening and perhaps run the opposite way like Jonah.
As with Jonah, if God so wishes, he already has our permission to chase after us.

Christians never make it easy for God.

Unfortunately christians, by foolish words, also make it very easy for demons to offer assistance!
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #62 on: October 06, 2016, 02:31:22 PM »
We are in agreement.........................Praise the Lord...................!!!!

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Offline francis drake

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #63 on: October 06, 2016, 09:53:58 PM »
It is true that all through Israel's history God called out to His chosen nation.

He heard the cries of His people when they were enslaved and saved them and brought them out Exodus 3:7 The LORD said, "I have indeed seen the misery of my people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their slave drivers, and I am concerned about their suffering.


And

Deuteronomy 7:6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
Yes, that's the status of God's chosen nation. Long before creation, God knew when he called Abraham out of Haran that he would listen to His voice. On account of that, Israel was chosen.
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Yet God picked out certain people out of this nation such as Elijah and Elisha, Moses and Job etc [also those who are not written about in the bible]

It seems although His people were chosen to perform what God had prepared in advance - they did not always do as He wanted - thus many fell in the desert or were exiled.

So I might agree with your posts when aligning this with scripture.

However God has the final say "as to whom enters and who does not"
You are entirely fixated on this quote, whatever you mean by it.
If you mean that God decides who gets born again, then I repudiate that as it is not what scripture says.
If you refer to who entered the promised land, then again it was they who decided to reject God's calling, and therefore they who got left behind in the wilderness.


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Lets finish my posting with Matthew 21:31  ?Which of the two did his father?s will? ?? The first,? they said. Jesus said to them, ?I assure you : Tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you!

Would assume that after "they did God's Will [however what if I die before ever being able to do God's will ?]
There's no such thing!
A child can respond to God in the womb. ie. John Baptist, Jeremiah etc.
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Now I am like one never having a will and never having a choice [but I am now in heaven]  get my drift ?
Again, no such thing. There is always a choice. We are not talking about great works, but the starting place of a simple acceptance of God as He woes our heart (even if still in the womb). The anointed works that a foreseeing and foreknowing God might plan for us would always be in perfect reach of our ability.
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So the overalling thing here is that God choses who are His regardless of their desicions.
This sort of theology is so badly wrong Q. Where on earth do you get it from, certainly not your bible?
God is always calling men to him, and it is always we who reject or accept that call. Did you not read the scriptures I posted earlier that deny what you have just said?
Your idea completely deny the following two verses.-
2Peter3v9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1Tim2v3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
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In other words even if I am never born to be " born again"
You keep taking this approach, but have never given one iota of support from scripture.
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The overuling thing here is God and His sovereign Will over my life [which never happened]

I mean the whole concept means that I am already a perfect person and able to understand a relationship.

It must mean that I am born without defect- therefore it is now about me and not about what God can do.

This theory  or theology assumes that I am in the mainstream of  human living and I do not have any disabilty.

thus any inability to hear or see or to interact must assume hell instead of heaven.

Thus this is not only ethnic cleansing but God "discriminating" 
I haven't a clue what you are saying Q.
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This sounds more like a persons view rather than God.

Therefore here you might suggest that God treats these people people differently.

I do not think so.as many have relatonal difficulties due to many problems either due to early life development or due to inabilities.

They are now assigned to death along with "other nations"


Therefore as far as I am concerned I not only have a "good life" but I am also assigned to hell [because I never matched up to the scriptures]

So never known a true relationship or being unable to communicate as normal - it is now assumed that I am as those of Israel who never responded to God [as I should] therefore this is no more than a law and not God's Grace.

Here it is not about God in my life but about "what I do" and "how I respond" [even though I may have dementia [it means I am walking away from God and therefore I have lost God ]

Even though I have lost my mind - now God rejects me. [I mention dementia - but some are born with inabilities and others simply have an inability due to a bad parental beginning.

Now they are no longer part of God's plan or God's working.

So you see [I hope] where our desicions regarding eternal llife  are void and non reliant.

I am really sorry Q, it started off reasonably but I am lost here and haven't a clue what you are trying to say.
I want to keep this going, but you'll have to try and be a little clearer for such a simpleton like me.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)