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Offline Tes Johnson

Does the future depend on us or God ?
« on: August 26, 2016, 01:41:47 AM »

Does the future depend on us or God ?



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Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2016, 03:52:31 PM »
Jesus asked, ' who by thought or effort can lengthen his life beyond its allotted span?'

Well can you determine that tomorrow nothing will go wrong for you, that your lottery ticket will win you a fortune, etc etc etc.

If you are unable to do this then the future does not depend upon you so logicaly it must then depend on the one who by a word created it.

Offline francis drake

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2016, 10:40:21 PM »
Jesus asked, ' who by thought or effort can lengthen his life beyond its allotted span?'

Well can you determine that tomorrow nothing will go wrong for you, that your lottery ticket will win you a fortune, etc etc etc.

If you are unable to do this then the future does not depend upon you so logicaly it must then depend on the one who by a word created it.


Their answer to the following question entirely determined their future.
Josh 24v15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose you this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."

I also found elsewhere some other kind member had posted this bit of wisdom which also seems to refute your last post?
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Dave,
It wasn't,t part of God,s plan that those in Jericho should make peace with Israel, but had they wanted to they could, just as the gibbionites did.
It wasn't,t part of God,s plan for peace to be made with them.
As you know God is a God of love and mercy and will forgive ALL who repent.
The problem was Jericho's inhabitants despite their knowledge thought they could beat God, just as people today think they can do without and can beat, outwit God.

Thanks for that anonymous contribution....................John
PS, did you decide to write that John, or did God make you do it?

LOL
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2016, 07:53:20 PM »
Yes!!

God has my future in His hands.
However, I can choose to go along with Him or not.

"Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets."  Amos 3:7
So - God has a plan, and He doesn't carry it out until he has first informed the prophets. Why would that be? Must be that we have a part to play.

"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that her desolation is near. Then let those in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country stay out of the city." Luke 20-21

Jesus said Jerusalem's desolation would be near when armies surround Jerusalem. So His plan for this awful moment is that the people flee to the mountains, get out of the city and not go near it. He explains what will happen so they can escape BUT the choice was the people's - they could heed Him or not.


Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2016, 02:12:58 AM »
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Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

I wish that were true for me, as many things happen to me that I cannot explain and God in His "hidden Will" leaves me to seek out what He is doing and even then I may never understand .

Although God's over all soveriegn plan is revealed through His prophets - it is not revealed for individual persons [as they must seek God for the answer] even then they see through a mirror dimly, - How frustrating ! Ephesians 6:4 Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. - now you see a paradox in the written  wiord, because we are often exasperated in the Lord.

And this is where the Father and Son relationship [metaphor] comes to an end [as God is Spirit] and we cannot comprehend Him - Isaiah 55:8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.


If we really have control over our lives then we are "our own god's" and that is the closest we will ever get to being God.

Gi ving God control means that we lose our ability to control the future and even our control over it

Offline francis drake

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2016, 06:16:58 PM »
Although God's over all soveriegn plan is revealed through His prophets - it is not revealed for individual persons [as they must seek God for the answer] even then they see through a mirror dimly, - How frustrating ! Ephesians 6:4 Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. - now you see a paradox in the written  wiord, because we are often exasperated in the Lord.
I believe the problem lies with us, not God.
Jesus made it clear that little children see the kingdom more easily than adults. Our problem is that we are far too enamoured with intellectual education as a means of understanding God, whereas children's undeveloped brains don't dominate their thoughts like yours and mine!

God made it clear that we only find him via the spirit, but Christian brains are so full of christian knowledge that the eyes and ears of their spirit have gone to sleep.
That's why I find it easier to teach non christians to hear God speak!

Matt13v15For this people?s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.?

The educated Pharisees were blind and deaf, in contrast, the uneducated fishermen soon saw and heard by the spirit when presented with the same evidence.
Matt16v13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, He questioned His disciples: ?Who do people say the Son of Man is??
14They replied, ?Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.?

15?But what about you?? Jesus asked. ?Who do you say I am?? 16Simon Peter answered, ?You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.?

17Jesus replied, ?Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on the earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.?


Peter didn't get the revelation of who Jesus was via his intellectual prowess, but via the eyes and ears of his spirit, which was in communion with the Holy Spirit.

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And this is where the Father and Son relationship [metaphor] comes to an end [as God is Spirit] and we cannot comprehend Him - Isaiah 55:8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.

That's why we have to seek God's thoughts. Virtually the whole of Proverbs is about seeking and receiving God's thoughts.
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If we really have control over our lives then we are "our own god's" and that is the closest we will ever get to being God.
Disagree completely
If we don't have control, we cannot make a decision to love God.
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Gi ving God control means that we lose our ability to control the future and even our control over it
Not so, God always wants our side of the relationship to be voluntary as a daily act of surrender and love.
He wants sons, not a dog on a lead.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Mountain Goat

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2016, 08:58:39 PM »
To say the future relies on us limits God. To say the future relies on God is not quite there as God includes us in the future because He loves His people!

Offline francis drake

Re: Does the future depend on us or God ?
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2016, 11:20:41 PM »
To say the future relies on us limits God. To say the future relies on God is not quite there as God includes us in the future because He loves His people!
Scripture makes it clear that God, before the earth was created, had already chosen to limit himself on earth to our decisions.
Did the future of Nineveh rely on them or on God Goaty? Who decided how they responded to the message of Jonah, them or God?

The scripture makes it clear that they chose to repent in sackcloth and ashes. Nineveh's future relied entirely their decision that alone halted the destruction of Nineveh.

Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)