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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2016, 08:19:41 PM »
Obedience (Exodus 19 & 20)


After two months of travelling, the Israelites finally reach their primary destination: Mount Sinai. They have come far to the south of the Promised Land, but this is no detour. Their salvation is complete and  unconditional; but in order to enjoy their new relationship with God, they have to make a response - a commitment to obedience. "Now if you obey Me fully and keep My covenant, then out of all nations you will be My treasured possession." (Exodus 19:6)

And so God gives them the Law - not 'in a vacuum', but in the context of a once-for-all experience of unearned and undeserved salvation. It is because of what God has done for Israel that He has the right to command their allegiance - and they have the obligation to give it. And His laws are not a list of arbitrary rules; they lay out a lifestyle that will reflect His righteousness. If the Israelites obey them, they will become a distinctive people displaying God's glory to the nations around them.

"Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God." (I Peter 3:18) He has redeemed us - not so that we can carry on living like unbelievers, but so that we can live in a way that brings glory to God. "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves of righteousness." (Romans 6:18) When we become Christians, we cross over from the kingdom of darkness into the Kingdom of God - and we must thereafter obey the laws and commands of our new King. This is why, though we are "not under law but under grace" (Romans 6:15), the New Testament is full of ethical instruction...

If we understand correctly the purpose of the law, there should be no conflict between law and grace; we obey our Lord not in order to make ourselves His people but because He has made us His people.
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)

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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2016, 08:25:58 PM »
This is why, though we are "not under law but under grace" (Romans 6:15), the New Testament is full of ethical instruction...

Could you explain what you mean here Deborah please?
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2016, 05:00:17 PM »
Could you explain what you mean here Deborah please?

I mean that the New Testament is full of instructions and exhortations, telling us how to live. For example - the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7), many of Paul's letters (e.g. Ephesians 4:17-6:9, Romans 12 & 13), the whole letter of James, etc, etc.
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)

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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2016, 06:57:19 PM »
I mean that the New Testament is full of instructions and exhortations, telling us how to live. For example - the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7), many of Paul's letters (e.g. Ephesians 4:17-6:9, Romans 12 & 13), the whole letter of James, etc, etc.

Just wondering Deborah, are you viewing the sermon on the mount as many do, as a refining of the law for Christians?
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2016, 08:20:36 PM »
Just wondering Deborah, are you viewing the sermon on the mount as many do, as a refining of the law for Christians?

You'd better explain exactly what you mean by "refining the law" before I say yes or no!

My view of the Law is here:
https://deborahsbiblestudies.wordpress.com/the-ten-commandments/
https://deborahsbiblestudies.wordpress.com/the-ten-commandments/
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)

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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2016, 10:54:05 PM »
You'd better explain exactly what you mean by "refining the law" before I say yes or no!

My view of the Law is here:
https://deborahsbiblestudies.wordpress.com/the-ten-commandments/

I was just wondering whether you were advocating law that's all. I have heard many, even here, saying that Jesus refined the law in the sermon on the mount. ie, Not just doing, but just thinking about it is a sin!

I also wanted to bring the never mentioned point that the sermon on the mount etc. was not New Testament, but Old Testament stuff being preached to OT people.



https://deborahsbiblestudies.wordpress.com/the-ten-commandments/
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2016, 09:08:03 AM »
I have heard many, even here, saying that Jesus refined the law in the sermon on the mount. ie, Not just doing, but just thinking about it is a sin!

Hhhmmm so it is not a sin to think about it?

If this is derailing this thread we could perhaps start another.

Just having a quick look at the sermon on the mount there is a lot in it that would be definitely worth looking at.

The below sounds like pretty serious stuff to me. Matthew 5:27-30.

' ?You have heard that it was said to those of old,[c] ?You shall not commit adultery.?[d]  28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.  29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.  30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.'

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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2016, 10:35:54 AM »
I was just wondering whether you were advocating law that's all. I have heard many, even here, saying that Jesus refined the law in the sermon on the mount. ie, Not just doing, but just thinking about it is a sin!

I also wanted to bring the never mentioned point that the sermon on the mount etc. was not New Testament, but Old Testament stuff being preached to OT people.

But everything Jesus said was said to "OT people". Does that mean He has nothing to say to us? I can't agree with that position.
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)