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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2017, 03:23:08 PM »
Hi Deborah

Our spiritual journey the title of this thread intrigues me a bit how do you see it is it something we enter now or something we enter into in the life hereafter.


Dave, if you look at the titles of the posts: 'Redemption', 'Baptism', 'Testing', 'Facing the enemy'... these are all things that happen to us in this life. It's what it's like to be a Christian. Seeing it through the experiences of the Israelites helps us to understand some of the underlying principles.

We don't know much about the life hereafter, but Satan won't be opposing us any more and I doubt very much that baptism will be happening. We won't be travelling any more - we will have arrived! No doubt there will be other things to concern us in the new earth.

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I have thought the scriptures can be spiritually discerned this through the spirit and as God want's us to know is this the spiritual journey you mean seeing the scriptures in a different light.
I don't quite understand that sentence..
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)

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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2017, 09:29:35 AM »
Dave,
          Jesus said in John 14 v 15 ' If you love me, keep my commands.'  He also said in v 21 'Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them'

These commands to show our love by being obedient are the condition that Jesus gave for sending his Spirit.

To follow the teaching or commands of Jesus does not require that we be full of the Spirit, but to be obedient.

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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2017, 02:22:47 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you post very informative as for

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I have thought the scriptures can be spiritually discerned this through the spirit and as God want's us to know is this the spiritual journey you mean seeing the scriptures in a different light.
I don't quite understand that sentence   

Sorry not very clear what I was trying to say was it is only the spirit of God that can spiritually interpret the scriptures.
And he will reveal them in his own time as we need to know.

John you said
Dave,
 
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.       Dave,
          Jesus said in John 14 v 15 ' If you love me, keep my commands.'  He also said in v 21 'Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them'

These commands to show our love by being obedient are the condition that Jesus gave for sending his Spirit.

To follow the teaching or commands of Jesus does not require that we be full of the Spirit, but to be obedient     

Thanks john I can agree with this if you mean obedience in love .

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2017, 06:07:31 PM »
Dave,
            I don't mean to be pedantic, but if we love God we will be obedient. There is a lack of love if we don't do as he says.

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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2017, 05:13:09 PM »
Dave,
            I don't mean to be pedantic, but if we love God we will be obedient. There is a lack of love if we don't do as he says.

Hi John
Thanks for your post What was our lords commands they were.

Mat 22:37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38  This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Mat 5:44  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

What I am saying is if we Love as we ought to love then we keep all our lords commands or as Paul puts it.

 Rom 13:10  Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

We are obedient to the commands of our Lord through Love or should be.

Love and Peace
Dave


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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2017, 02:25:52 PM »
Hi
The next question is who is our neighbour and how do  we love him is it jest our fellow Christians is it everybody saint and sinner alike.
Do we follow Christ's example.

Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Christ Loved sinners so much he died for them so they could have eternal life so should we also love them and how can we show it.

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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2017, 02:28:26 PM »
Sorry it's been so long - I've been having health issues, but I still intend to add to this from time to time.

Repentance and reconciliation (Exodus 33 & 34)

As a result of Moses' impassioned intercession (Exodus 32:11-13), Yahweh does not destroy the Israelites; but that does not mean that what they have done can be brushed under the carpet. His presence is temporarily withdrawn - and the people mourn (Exodus 33:4-6). They realise that without God, life's greatest blessings are not worth having - not even the Promised Land. From that time on, the Israelites wear no jewellery, as a perpetual reminder that they are unworthy of their God.

But God is "the LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin." (Exodus 34:6,7) He always keeps His promises - and He will never totally reject the people He has chosen and redeemed. The stone tablets engraved with the Ten Commandments (representing the covenant between Him and Israel) have been broken... but He tells Moses to make some new ones, so that the covenant can be renewed. Israel are never to forget that they are a forgiven people.

Do we consider ourselves to be any better than the Israelites? "If you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don?t fall!" (I Corinthians 10:12)  Sooner or later during the course of our pilgrimage, all of us will let God down - and some of us will let Him down very badly. But that need not be the end of the story. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (I John 1:9) We may lose our sense of His presence for a while, or experience some other form of discipline; but we can be assured that He will not reject us. And so we will continue on our journey, more aware of our weaknesses - but still His people, despite it all.
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)

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Re: Our spiritual journey
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2017, 08:49:37 AM »
Organisation (Numbers 1-4)

After a year camped at Mount Sinai, the Israelites have built a sanctuary at which to worship, and have received a law to regulate their everyday life. All that remains is for them to be organised into a coherent and disciplined community, capable of tackling the long trek through the wilderness and the conquest of Canaan.

This organisation will be based on their pre-existing tribal loyalties. Just like the Egyptian army (which camped in a square with the royal tent in the very centre), the Israelites are instructed to arrange their tents in an orderly manner around God's tent, the Tabernacle. Each tribe is allocated its own area, according to its ancestry. And when they break camp and go on the march, each tribe has its designated position in the line. The tribe of Levi are given the responsibility of taking down, transporting and re-erecting the Tabernacle; and each Levite clan has its own defined role within this task. Because each place and role has been assigned by God, inter-tribal rivalries and arguments are minimised - and the system works.

Bureaucracy has a poor image; but it is noteworthy how many pages of the Bible are devoted to lists, censuses, rotas, and other kinds of  administrative 'paperwork'. As much as we might yearn for the supposed simplicity of the early Church, the fact is that large numbers of people need organisation if they are to live harmoniously and work effectively together. "God is not a God of disorder but of peace." (I Corinthians 14:33) Each local church is a 'body' whose members have differing gifts and functions, determined not by us but by the Holy Spirit (I Corinthians 12) - and 'administration' is on the list of gifts! But there is also a need for larger groupings - and the much-maligned denominations (which are, fundamentally, just 'tribes' of like-minded churches) actually perform this function rather well. Inter-church rivalry is inappropriate and unnecessary; we can and must work together to fulfil God's purpose for all His people.
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)