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Offline davetaff

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Re: The Law
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2016, 04:11:03 PM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply and the link I have bean there and read it interesting I will add it to my favourites not sure it answers my question.
If we take earthly judges for example they are under the law but the judge of the whole world is not but we are told he is the God of Love he is a righteous God  of Goodness and mercy a God Of grace unmerited favour.
He is all these things and so much more so if he has the power to eliminate us would he use that power or would he use all that power to save as many as possible.
Thinking of we are not under the law but under grace has the penalties of the law bean removed in favour of forgiveness.

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Re: The Law
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2016, 07:18:08 PM »
2 Peter 3:9 ' The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[a] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.'

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Re: The Law
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2016, 02:52:11 AM »
I do not know how many people were killed in the flood - but I imagine it was more than the narrow binocular view presented.

In the bilblical version [through a small telescope/binocular view ] we only see God's chosen and Noah and his family.

In those days I imagine the earth [being one / as the plates of the earth were yet to move and become separated]

But I imagine it was thousands or millions.  [some say  millions]

So okay - many have gone against God's character and have sinned [as Adam did] "big deal"

It seems that the law of God was broken in Eden.

People had a choice at The flood - eg: "get into the Arch [sorry Ark] or perish"

It seems no one responded except Noah and his family.

Salvation therefore must be due to our response and not God's action.




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Re: The Law
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2016, 02:20:25 PM »
2 Peter 3:9 ' The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[a] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.'

Hi Seeker
Thanks for that quote If God wants all to come to repentance then it stands to reason all must hear the gospel about Jesus Christ don't you think.

Hi TJ
Thanks for you post I agree salvation is entirely due to how we respond to Gods message the gospel god can not force us to love him we have to choose to do it.
God has shown us through Israel that obedience to commandments dose not work he he as shown us a better way through Love and forgiveness we don't need the written law.

Question if we think or agree to the concept that God destroying unbelievers in a lake of fire is a good thing dose that make us guilty of murder because we think killing others is a good thing.

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Re: The Law
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2016, 04:51:54 PM »
Dave,
      you wrote "He is all these things and so much more so if he has the power to eliminate us would he use that power or would he use all that power to save as many as possible."

Why 'if'? God creates new life everyday and he ends lives every day. There is no doubt that God could end every life on earth instantly.

As for using his power to save as many as possible. You are like the atheists who complain about Adam having free will to choose to obey or disobey, they think God is unjust in giving Adam that freedom, yet are violently opposed to the idea that they are unthinkingrobots.

Are we free to choose or not? You can't have it both ways.
Either God is God and totaly in control or someother being is.

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Re: The Law
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2016, 05:30:47 PM »
Dave,
      you wrote "He is all these things and so much more so if he has the power to eliminate us would he use that power or would he use all that power to save as many as possible."

Why 'if'? God creates new life everyday and he ends lives every day. There is no doubt that God could end every life on earth instantly.

As for using his power to save as many as possible. You are like the atheists who complain about Adam having free will to choose to obey or disobey, they think God is unjust in giving Adam that freedom, yet are violently opposed to the idea that they are unthinkingrobots.

Are we free to choose or not? You can't have it both ways.
Either God is God and totaly in control or someother being is.

Hi John
Thank's for the reply  I agree with you that God is totally in control  and I believe that God loves us saint and sinner alike and Christ died for us all.
No John I am not like the atheist at all I believe that free will is one of God greatest blessings we need free will so that we can choose to Love Him the whole point of creation is God want's a people to Love him and to do that we must have free will nobody not even God can make us love them it would not be love.
If we loved as we should everyone loving everybody else we would not need any laws locks on our doors we would not have any starving in the world etc.
I suppose many would find it boring they love the cut and thrust of conflict so they have the free will to choose that option.

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Re: The Law
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2016, 06:44:14 PM »
Dave,
      you wrote "nobody not even God can make us love them "
If that is true then God is not God and nobody has been or ever will be saved.

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Re: The Law
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2016, 07:50:41 PM »
Hi John
If God made or forced us to love him it would not be love it would only be God creating robots love has to be a free will gift from the heart.

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