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Re: The Law
« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2016, 02:11:10 PM »
Hi
Jest a little more on the Hyssop Scarlet and Cedar It maybe that all these elements where present at the crucifixion if the cross was made of cedar the scarlet the blood of Christ and the hyssop was used to lift the sponge to our lords lips.

Joh 19:29  Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.

all these elements were used in the cleansing rituals of the Jews but these are only symbols of the real cleansing achieved by our lord.

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Re: The Law
« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2017, 04:28:55 PM »
Hi
some time since we visited this thread and we seam to have ended up discussing it on the revelations thread so I thought I'd bump this up and maybe continue on here.

There was a question I asked on there which was.
Our Lord said that the law would not disappear till all things were fulfilled what did he mean is the law a type of prophecy concerning him if so how.

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Re: The Law
« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2017, 10:38:58 PM »
Hi
some time since we visited this thread and we seam to have ended up discussing it on the revelations thread so I thought I'd bump this up and maybe continue on here.

There was a question I asked on there which was.
Our Lord said that the law would not disappear till all things were fulfilled what did he mean is the law a type of prophecy concerning him if so how.

Love and Peace
Dave

The Law will always remain exactly as it was meant to, a standard against which man's own efforts can be measured.
And the result will always show the utter and total failure of man in his attempts to perfect himself. The intention is to make man turn to God for mercy.

Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: The Law
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2017, 02:48:52 PM »
The Law will always remain exactly as it was meant to, a standard against which man's own efforts can be measured.
And the result will always show the utter and total failure of man in his attempts to perfect himself. The intention is to make man turn to God for mercy.

Hi Frances
Thanks for your post and I can agree with what you say but is it more than jest what it says has it a deeper meaning that was only fulfilled in Christ.
The Law was given to Israel no one else as I have said before I believe Israel is the first Adam so the law was for the Man in Gods image if they obeyed the law they would live.
Of course they failed as we all do maybe they were meant to to show us the futility of the law so God introduced a better covenant when he sent the second Adam into the world who fulfilled all the Laws and became our example.

Apparently there are some 613 laws including  the ten commandments so in what sense did Jesus fulfil them all, for example the law says a woman caught in adultery should be stoned to death but when the Jews wanted to stone a woman Jesus said the one without sin should cast the first stone of course the one without sin was himself so did he break the law or did he fulfill it.
I believe he fulfilled it in the sense that he is the stone the builders rejected his purpose was to put her to death through baptism and rebirth if this is true the should we be looking at the law with different eyes 

Another example is from St Paul.

 1Co 9:9  For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
1Co 9:10  Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

Here Paul applies this law to himself and those who preached the gospel so again I ask should we look at the 613 laws with different eyes can they teach us much about the man of God.

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Dave 

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Re: The Law
« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2017, 06:21:40 PM »
Hi
Have bean thinking about this question for some time "Is God bound by the laws he has given to mankind" or can he do as he pleases is he above the law.

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The Eternal Almighty is a law unto Himself. He is intrinsically good and therefore every thing He does is good. He does as He pleases and any complaint is a complaint against Him, His wisdom and His Sovereign right to do as He pleases.  Amen.

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Re: The Law
« Reply #53 on: March 12, 2017, 03:50:22 PM »
The Eternal Almighty is a law unto Himself. He is intrinsically good and therefore every thing He does is good. He does as He pleases and any complaint is a complaint against Him, His wisdom and His Sovereign right to do as He pleases.  Amen.

Hi Truster and welcome to the forum always nice to have new blood.

Yes God is Good as you say and God is Love and we know if we love as we should we comply with all Gods laws which begs the question is God restrained by the laws of Love.

 
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His wisdom and His Sovereign right to do as He pleases.   


this may be true but would or could God do evil if so would he be the God of Love.

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Re: The Law
« Reply #54 on: March 12, 2017, 06:13:32 PM »
Hi Truster and welcome to the forum always nice to have new blood.

Yes God is Good as you say and God is Love and we know if we love as we should we comply with all Gods laws which begs the question is God restrained by the laws of Love.

 

this may be true but would or could God do evil if so would he be the God of Love.

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Dave

Greetings Dave,

The Eternal Almighty is not restrained by anything (law) or anyone. For anything to be able to restrain Him it would need to possess greater power, great knowledge and greater wisdom and that is not an option.

The difficulty arises when people are taught that all evil is sin, but this is not the case. All sin is evil, but not all evil is sin. (worth a study)

The Almighty uses evil in the correction of His children and in the destruction of His enemies. Job 42:11 confirms the former and the latter is confirmed throughout the scriptures.


"He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: an El of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he".

The question that needs to be addressed is simple. Does the Eternal Almighty exercise power over all evil or is evil unrestrained. Do evil spirits do as they please or as He pleases?
Going back to Job, it wasn?t Satan that brought up the subject of Job, it was the Almighty. The evil done to Job was restrained. Selah. 

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Re: The Law
« Reply #55 on: March 13, 2017, 04:23:47 PM »
Greetings Dave,

The Eternal Almighty is not restrained by anything (law) or anyone. For anything to be able to restrain Him it would need to possess greater power, great knowledge and greater wisdom and that is not an option.

The difficulty arises when people are taught that all evil is sin, but this is not the case. All sin is evil, but not all evil is sin. (worth a study)

The Almighty uses evil in the correction of His children and in the destruction of His enemies. Job 42:11 confirms the former and the latter is confirmed throughout the scriptures.


"He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: an El of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he".

The question that needs to be addressed is simple. Does the Eternal Almighty exercise power over all evil or is evil unrestrained. Do evil spirits do as they please or as He pleases?
Going back to Job, it wasn?t Satan that brought up the subject of Job, it was the Almighty. The evil done to Job was restrained. Selah. 

Agap?, H.

Hi Truster
Thank you for your reply made me think always a good thing thanks.
Maybe restrained is the wrong word of course the God of creation can't be restrained but being he is the God of Love is not Love the greatest power in the universe God is Love.

Interesting you bring up Job a difficult book to understand it is satan that brings all the evil on Job not God but God permits it to Happen so God takes responsibility for it because he could prevent it if he wished to do so.
If we expand this and see Job as representing mankind God has allowed the devil free reign the only reason I can think of is so that we can exercise our free will which is essential if we are to love God as he wants us to love him from the heart of our own freewill.

So being that God takes responsibility for the evil in the world he also pays the price by sending his son into the world to die on the cross for the forgiveness of sins.

Love comes at a very great price it cost God his Son and Mankind great suffering.

Love and Peace
Dave