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Re: The Law
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2016, 08:48:40 AM »
The red heifer in Numbers 19:1-10.

Hi Question
Seams a good place to start so what dose the scrip


Numbers 19
19 Now the Lord spoke to Moses and to Aaron, saying, 2 ?This is the statute of the law that the Lord has commanded: Tell the people of Israel to bring you a red heifer without defect, in which there is no blemish, mand on which a yoke has never come. 3 And you shall give it to Eleazar the priest, and nit shall be taken outside the camp and slaughtered before him. 4 And Eleazar the priest shall take some of its blood with his finger, and osprinkle some of its blood toward the front of the tent of meeting seven times. 5 And the heifer shall be burned in his sight. pIts skin, its flesh, and its blood, with its dung, shall be burned. 6 And the priest shall take qcedarwood and hyssop and scarlet yarn, and throw them into the fire burning the heifer. 7 Then the priest rshall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward he may come into the camp. But the priest shall be unclean until evening. 8 sThe one who burns the heifer rshall wash his clothes in water and bathe his body in water and shall be unclean until evening. 9 And a man who is clean shall gather up tthe ashes of the heifer and deposit them outside the camp in a uclean place. And they shall be kept for the water for vimpurity for the congregation of the people of Israel; it is a sin offering. 10 And the one who gathers the ashes of the heifer rshall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening. And this shall be a perpetual statute for the people of Israel, and for the stranger who sojourns among them.
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First thoughts dose the heifer represent the church as its female representing those who have been killed for the gospel
It was killed outside the camp as many of the early church father's were killed outside Jerusalem.
Then we have the washings we are washed with the water of the word of God.

Love and Peace
Dave


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Re: The Law
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2016, 08:49:31 PM »
I am quite sure there are verses in the Bible that mention spiritual blindness, now that would involve a lack of understanding God? and would you say such is deliberate? (as in chosen by the person who is blind?).

I did a quick Google search and turned up;

2 Corinthians 3:14-15 '14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.  15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.'

Now what causes this blindness?

and interestingly enough I then find this;

2 Corinthians 4:4 'whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.'

Hi Seeker,
Scripture doesn't contradict itself and Romans1, as I posted makes it clear that man deliberately suppressesin his heart the truth of God.............therefore he is without excuse.

Blindness is the natural consequence of rejecting the Spirit of God as He witnesses to our heart.
If a man rejects Light, then he remains in Darkness, he is blind.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: The Law
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2016, 02:54:01 AM »
Hi Question
Seams a good place to start so what dose the scrip


Numbers 19
19 Now the Lord spoke to Moses and to Aaron, saying, 2 ?This is the statute of the law that the Lord has commanded: Tell the people of Israel to bring you a red heifer without defect, in which there is no blemish, mand on which a yoke has never come. 3 And you shall give it to Eleazar the priest, and nit shall be taken outside the camp and slaughtered before him. 4 And Eleazar the priest shall take some of its blood with his finger, and osprinkle some of its blood toward the front of the tent of meeting seven times. 5 And the heifer shall be burned in his sight. pIts skin, its flesh, and its blood, with its dung, shall be burned. 6 And the priest shall take qcedarwood and hyssop and scarlet yarn, and throw them into the fire burning the heifer. 7 Then the priest rshall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward he may come into the camp. But the priest shall be unclean until evening. 8 sThe one who burns the heifer rshall wash his clothes in water and bathe his body in water and shall be unclean until evening. 9 And a man who is clean shall gather up tthe ashes of the heifer and deposit them outside the camp in a uclean place. And they shall be kept for the water for vimpurity for the congregation of the people of Israel; it is a sin offering. 10 And the one who gathers the ashes of the heifer rshall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening. And this shall be a perpetual statute for the people of Israel, and for the stranger who sojourns among them.
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First thoughts dose the heifer represent the church as its female representing those who have been killed for the gospel
It was killed outside the camp as many of the early church father's were killed outside Jerusalem.
Then we have the washings we are washed with the water of the word of God.

Love and Peace
Dave

well yes @davetaff  this was in the Mosaic Law [Moses Law] and was given through Moses it was for the water of cleansing and outside  the camp.

Yes Jesus is the shadow of the red heifer- and He is the substance of the Faith in which we hope.

It is not our blood but the blood of Jesus.

It is the division from the world - whereas the laws of Moses are a written code/law/instruction.

So these laws are given through Moses as the Mosiac law




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Re: The Law
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2016, 04:05:46 PM »
Hi Q
Thanks for the reply the washing is quite interesting don't you think the priests washed with water to cleans the out side we wash our selves in the water of the word a spiritual cleansing.
It's also interesting to note that they were forbidden to eat the blood the life is in the blood the blood is sacred a symbol of our lords blood of which he said.

Joh 6:53  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54  Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

I think the blood is the spirit it flows through the whole body of Christ like blood in us it gives life to the body.

I have been wondering on  cedarwood and hyssop and scarlet yarn what mite be the significance of these any ideas.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline francis drake

Re: The Law
« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2016, 05:11:01 PM »
I think the blood is the spirit it flows through the whole body of Christ like blood in us it gives life to the body.
I agree Dave.
Interestingly, when Jesus was resurrected, his body was completely devoid of blood, therefore can only have been empowered by the Spirit.
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I have been wondering on  cedarwood and hyssop and scarlet yarn what mite be the significance of these any ideas.
Scarlet usually refers to the blood sacrifice.
Scarlet can be seen in the rope that Rahab the harlot tied around her house. God saw the bloody symbol exactly as He saw the blood on the doorposts and lintels of the first passover in Egypt and in the same manner, the destroyer simply passed over Rahab's house.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: The Law
« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2016, 02:18:35 PM »
Hi Francis
Thanks fore your reply Nice to Know we can agree on something. :thumbs_up:

I've been having a look at the hyssop cedar and scarlet  it is for a cleansing ritual

Lev 14:4  Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
Lev 14:5  And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water:
Lev 14:6  As for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water:
Lev 14:7  And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field.

so I was thinking when these are burned up with the red heifer it signifies that they are not required any more as the sacrifice of our Lord is sufficient for everything

Love and Peace
Dave 


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Re: The Law
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2016, 08:29:13 AM »
I am quite sure there are verses in the Bible that mention spiritual blindness, now that would involve a lack of understanding God? and would you say such is deliberate? (as in chosen by the person who is blind?).

I did a quick Google search and turned up;

2 Corinthians 3:14-15 '14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.  15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.'

Now what causes this blindness?

and interestingly enough I then find this;

2 Corinthians 4:4 'whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.'

Thinking further on this I have been thinking about the parable of the sower.

Mark 4:12 'so that
?Seeing they may see and not perceive,
And hearing they may hear and not understand;
Lest they should turn,
And their sins be forgiven them.??

and also;

Mark 4:15 'And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts.'

Did the people in the examples above have a choice? Did they choose not to understand?



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Re: The Law
« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2016, 11:35:43 PM »
Thinking further on this I have been thinking about the parable of the sower.

Mark 4:12 'so that
?Seeing they may see and not perceive,
And hearing they may hear and not understand;
Lest they should turn,
And their sins be forgiven them.??

and also;

Mark 4:15 'And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts.'

Did the people in the examples above have a choice? Did they choose not to understand?

The simple answer is yes, Seeker.
Each one of us is responsible for the hardness of our hearts. That's why Jesus stands at the door and knocks, awaiting our response.
That's why Romans1 declares that they have no excuse.

Its not necessarily that they actually choose not to understand, its that they exalt their intellect and refuse to open their spirit to commune with the Holy Spirit.
Human intellect cannot discern Spirit.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)
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