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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: The Law
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2016, 12:52:43 AM »
Well there are 613 laws or commandments of God, I think this will take a long tme  :angry:

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: The Law
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2016, 12:54:23 AM »
Again it is a basic law of "DO not" if you disobey this simple law "then you sin" [Tree of Knowledge] @francis drake

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Re: The Law
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2016, 02:36:16 PM »
Again it is a basic law of "DO not" if you disobey this simple law "then you sin" [Tree of Knowledge] @francis drake

Hi Question
Only 613 I thought there were more than that but that's enough to be going on with the problem is were to start :)

Our Lord said.

Mat 5:17  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

What dose our Lord mean when he say's he will fulfil the law dose he mean all 613.
And we see here that even one who breaks the least of the laws will still be in heaven is this because he will be forgiven?
Some will say we are not under the law but under grace and this is very true but our lord was a Jew under the Law so how did he fulfil the law.

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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: The Law
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2016, 02:49:44 PM »
A lot of the laws were given through Moses [a levite] to the levites, these were the Priests of the old Testament -  if you like, they were set apart for special duties. Now whether these actually apply to the common person is another matter and so we can separate the laws as to whom they were given, before we apply them to individual groups now today


Offline francis drake

Re: The Law
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2016, 10:56:34 PM »
So how does God drag nonchristians to him?
Sorry John, I completely missed this one.

God doesn't forcibly drag anyone to him, but always works through our own freewill choices.

Rev3v20Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in and dine with him, and he with Me.

If God didn't permit freewill then in the above verse he would simply break the door down instead of knocking.

Romans1v18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness;
All men have access to the truth of God but deliberately suppress it.
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it unto them.
All men have enough evidence of God within themselves to call on him.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and deity; so that they are without excuse:
Every time men look at creation it speaks clearly of the creator.
21Because, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Rejecting the understanding of God is deliberate.

The presence of God is visible all around us, plus the Holy Spirit constantly speaks to the hearts of every man, woman and child on this planet. Nobody has any excuse for denying God.
Nobody needs to try and prove the existence of God. Despite what atheists might protest, as Romans1 spells out, they all know who they are opposing.

Until a man opend the door to the Lord's presence into his heart, he will always be unregenerate.
Until he becomes regenerate, he will never, ever comprehend the message of the cross.

Contrary to usual evangelicalism, the message of the cross is for believers, not unbelievers.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: The Law
« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2016, 10:52:30 AM »
Rejecting the understanding of God is deliberate.

I am quite sure there are verses in the Bible that mention spiritual blindness, now that would involve a lack of understanding God? and would you say such is deliberate? (as in chosen by the person who is blind?).

I did a quick Google search and turned up;

2 Corinthians 3:14-15 '14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.  15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.'

Now what causes this blindness?

and interestingly enough I then find this;

2 Corinthians 4:4 'whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.'




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Re: The Law
« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2016, 01:31:56 PM »
A lot of the laws were given through Moses [a levite] to the levites, these were the Priests of the old Testament -  if you like, they were set apart for special duties. Now whether these actually apply to the common person is another matter and so we can separate the laws as to whom they were given, before we apply them to individual groups now today

Hi Question
Thanks for your post there are different types of laws I think it would be a good idea to device them into groups.
What I'm thinking is sacrificial dietary and behavioral may be we could start with sacrificial laws and and how they may relate to our lords sacrifice.
First question can we relate animal sacrifices to our lord what do the animals represent if anything the lamb is pretty obvious but how about the rest.

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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: The Law
« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2016, 01:25:08 AM »
The red heifer in Numbers 19:1-10.