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The Law
« on: August 08, 2016, 02:58:30 PM »
Hi
Have bean thinking about this question for some time "Is God bound by the laws he has given to mankind" or can he do as he pleases is he above the law.

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Dave



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Re: The Law
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2016, 05:39:01 PM »
The moral laws are a reflection of God's character.
God isn't good because of the moral laws nor are the laws good because willed it.
It is why God is far more than just love.

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Re: The Law
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2016, 06:54:31 PM »
Hi
Have bean thinking about this question for some time "Is God bound by the laws he has given to mankind" or can He do as He pleases is He above the law?

Love and Peace
Dave

Hi @davetaff,

There were 'laws' in operation before the giving of the Law by God to Israel via Moses at Sinai. In Genesis alone approx, thirty-four such laws are recorded, before Moses was born. eg., Genesis 26:5: and in Exodus 12:49; 13:9; 16:4,28; 18:16,20, again of laws in operation before the giving of the law.   In Romans 2:14,15,26,27 we have evidence to the fact that the nations of the earth had something similar to the law of Sinai, 'written in their hearts', and our Lord testified that the law and the prophets hung upon the primal law of love to God and to neighbour.

God is the Creator, and man was made in His image, and the law of conscience is something common to all men (Romans 2:5).  God is righteous, so He would do righteously, wouldn't He? 

* The law was given because of transgressions. (Gal 3:19) 

'Wherefore then serveth the law?
It was added because of transgressions,
till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;
and it was ordained by angels
in the hand of a mediator.'


God is sinless, He does not transgress, so why should He be subject to any law whatsoever?

* The law of Sinai was also given as part of the covenant made between God and Israel. It's purpose was to separate Israel from the nations, and identify them as a people chosen of God and separated unto Himself.  As believers of gentile nations, we were never under the law of Sinai, and the testimony of the epistles is that we were not to be placed under those laws. 

No, I do not believe that God is subject to any law.

Interesting question, Dave, thank you.

In Christ Jesus
Chris




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Re: The Law
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2016, 02:39:50 PM »
Hi Thank you Cariad and John for your replies what I'm trying to establish is the laws given to Moses binding in Heave and earth.

Exo 20:1  And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2  I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3  Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4  Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6  And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7  Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8  Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9  Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11  For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12  Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13  Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14  Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15  Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16  Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17  Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Cariad you said
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God is sinless, He does not transgress, so why should He be subject to any law whatsoever?

How about thou shalt not kill in the great flood he killed the entire population on earth for example so is he outside the law.

Then St Paul tells us

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Rom 7:14  For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
 

What dose he mean when he say's the law is spiritual.
Is the Law only applicable to man in Gods image in the first place Israel who broke the law and was rejected in a way Israel died.
The next man in Gods image is Christ who kept all the laws and was perfectly sinless who died and was raised to life.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: The Law
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2016, 03:02:33 PM »
Dave,
          The tabernacle Mosses made and the Temple Solomon made were copies of what is in heaven. In the same way the moral law is only a copy of what is in heaven.
The first fruits of that heavenly law we already experience. How do you understand the frequent promises of God to give his people a heart not of stone but of flesh or to write his law in their hearts.

When we get to heaven we will have perfect bodies, we will be able to stand before God and look him in the face. We will know God, in as much as an infinite being can be known and our task in heaven will be to enjoy him for ever.
An example that might help you understand. As a child did you ever play with a pedal car, one you got in and pushed pedals to make it move. As an adault, able to drive would you go back to use that pedal car as your primary means of transport.
What we will have in heaven is so different to what we have now that we cannot imagine it. Paul used the illistration of a seed and it being transformed into a plant. Far bigger, more wonderfull than the seed.

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Re: The Law
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2016, 05:08:12 PM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply not sure it answers the question dose God abide by his own laws or is he above the law on the other thread can God destroy you said.

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Who created everything and has the sole right to act as judge, jury and exceutioner?
   

If God executes dose this mean he brakes the law thou shalt not kill.

Love and Peace
Dave 

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Re: The Law
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2016, 07:27:38 PM »
Dave,
 how can someone who created the laws and is the standard by which they are judged break them?

But to answer your question. God startes every persons life. God ends every persons life.
As our creator he has set standards by which we All are to live and God judges us in accordance with those standards. In ending every life God does not commit murder. Bythe way if you are going to use 16th century language, you should understand 16th centuary english. then to kill some one meant unlawfull killing i.e. murder.
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