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Cariad

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Re: Hell and the lake of fire
« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2017, 05:47:44 PM »
What I found dangerous more then anything is there are preachers going round preaching there is no hell. Now why would we need to be saved? It is dangerous preaching as quite a few believe this and are at risk chiefly because they can then use it as an excuse to sin.

Hello Mountain Goat,

What are we being saved from? Is it not the wrath to come? The great white throne judgement and the second death? Surely that is a fearsome enough prospect!!

Also man needs no excuse to sin: he is a sinner, sold under sin, and death is its penalty: which only the all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ can save Him from.

Life or death are the options, mountain goat.
Who wouldn't chose life?
John 3:16
 
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Re: Hell and the lake of fire
« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2017, 04:17:10 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your last post it sums up pretty well what I am trying to say about the word hell and I agree with you it has been misused and abused.

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What I found dangerous more then anything is there are preachers going round preaching there is no hell. Now why would we need to be saved? It is dangerous preaching as quite a few believe this and are at risk chiefly because they can then use it as an excuse to sin

Hi MG
I don't believe putting the fear of God in people by preaching death by fire and brimstone will bring people to Love God in fact the exact opposite.
A reverent fear of God is an entirely different thing altogether to stand in awe of the magnificent God of creation is the type of fear the bible speaks of.

You can not scare people into loving you and that's all God want's is for his creatures to Love him from the heart and God is Love he is also a consuming fire  but this is not ordinary fire think of Moses and the burning bush but the bush did not burn.
Or pentecost when the apostles where baptised with fire and where not burned but were they consumed into God our God is a consuming fire takes on a good meaning.

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Dave 

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Re: Hell and the lake of fire
« Reply #58 on: June 27, 2017, 06:55:08 PM »
Cariad,
          try Matthew 13:47-49 for the parable of the fish.

The bible teaches, as you agree that there is a consquence to not believing. I believe that it also teaches that that consquence is an eternity separated from God.

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Re: Hell and the lake of fire
« Reply #59 on: June 28, 2017, 02:13:24 PM »
Hi John
Are you saying that even if we are rejected we will have eternal life if so where will it be cant be the grave because that's the place of the dead  so were will these poor souls spend eternity.

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Re: Hell and the lake of fire
« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2017, 02:41:17 PM »
Cariad,
          try Matthew 13:47-49 for the parable of the fish.

The bible teaches, as you agree that there is a consquence to not believing. I believe that it also teaches that that consquence is an eternity separated from God.

Thank you for the reference, @John.

Do you have Scriptures to back up your belief that the consequence of sin is anything other than judgement and death? For, Romans 6:23, tells us that, 'the wages of sin is death'.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad


PS: When you referred to, 'weeds', in an earlier entry (#52) did you mean, 'Tares'? As you can see from my response, I thought you meant, 'Chaff'. (reply #54).

 

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Re: Hell and the lake of fire
« Reply #61 on: June 28, 2017, 06:31:37 PM »
Cariad,
Jesus talked about hell as a place of punishment and as a place of torment.

The punishment of hell is seen in Matt 8 v 12 where Jesus comments that those without faith will be thrown outside into the darkness. As well as in Matt 5 v 22 where those who call others 'you fool' will be in danger of the fires of hell.

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Re: Hell and the lake of fire
« Reply #62 on: June 28, 2017, 07:06:51 PM »
Dave,
"Are you saying that even if we are rejected we will have eternal life if so where will it be cant be the grave because that's the place of the dead  so were will these poor souls spend eternity"

Those who reject Jesus will spend eternity in hell.

You wrote to MG saying that people cannot be scared into eternity and you are right, but in not telling people of the consquence of not accepting Jesus is to show that one does not care/love them.
Why do you think Jesus warned people abouit hell, punishment, torment etc.
It is not enough to tell people that Jesus loves them, or that he came to save them.

Save them from what? Most nonchristians are happy with the idea of after death there is nothing, it is not scary and it does not require them to live by any rules of morality.


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Re: Hell and the lake of fire
« Reply #63 on: June 29, 2017, 11:33:27 AM »
Hi John
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. Dave,
"Are you saying that even if we are rejected we will have eternal life if so where will it be cant be the grave because that's the place of the dead  so were will these poor souls spend eternity/quote]

No John that's not what I am saying that's what you are saying when you say all those not saved will be tormented for eternity.

So it stands to reason if they are tormented for eternity they must have the gift of eternal life they become spiritual creatures that can not die.

So the question is where will they live not in hell because that's the place of the dead but these will be living.

So you see the whole idea of unbelievers being eternally tormented is ludicrous and this is the reason for the second death.

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Dave