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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #88 on: October 04, 2019, 09:41:32 PM »
Hi Frances
Thank you for your reply you would need to prove your first statement from scripture I know we have this verse

Isa 40:22  It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;     

But it dose not say the earth is round like a ball it jest says i is a circle like a plate if you stand on a mountain and turn 365 degrees the earth looks like a circle.
As for when Genesis was written nobody knows for certain the academics say it was edited in its present form after the return from Babylon but they were working on much older material how old we don't know could be anything up to 6000 years or more and I don't think the people of that era would have any idea about a spherical shaped earth ro that they were out sailing the seven seas to see a curved horizon.
Like I said before Genesis was written for an ancient people and not to answer questions of the scientific community of today and if you take my explanation that there was a creation before the flood of unspecified time and one after the flood which will take 7000 years 7 days 1000 years long then we can forget about the creation and evolution argument.

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I'm sorry Dave, but I'm not going to waste time debating your outlandish theories of creation. You insist on ramming the same nonsense in nearly every discussion.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #89 on: October 05, 2019, 01:47:32 PM »
I'm sorry Dave, but I'm not going to waste time debating your outlandish theories of creation. You insist on ramming the same nonsense in nearly every discussion.

Hi Frances
Thank you for your reply I take it from your reply you don't have a answer or you would give it.
If you like we could discuss creation from your point of view and if I understand it correctly Go's something like this.

In the beginning God created everything there is in 6 days 24 hours long about 6000 years ago at some time in the beginning of this time period God saw that mankind he had created was evil so decided to destroy everything which he did with the flood but he saved Noah and everything on the ark.
That's just a quick overview so if you would like to discuss creation from this point of view that's fine with me I can play devil's advocate and you can prove your version of creation is the right one anyone else who would like to join in would be welcome.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #90 on: October 05, 2019, 08:59:59 PM »
Hi Frances
Thank you for your reply you would need to prove your first statement from scripture I know we have this verse

Isa 40:22  It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;     

But it dose not say the earth is round like a ball it jest says i is a circle like a plate if you stand on a mountain and turn 365 degrees the earth looks like a circle.

The Greeks knew the earth was spherical because when they sailed, they could see a completely different set of stars. If it was a flat disc, it would always be the same set of stars.

Here's what Aristotle said in his book On the Heavens: "Again, our observations of the stars make it evident, not only that the Earth is circular, but also that it is a circle of no great size. For quite a small change of position to south or north causes a manifest alteration of the horizon."
Aristotle didn't invent the idea, he just wrote it down.

But Greeks were good at maths and geometry, and using measurements against obelisks, one of them even made a reasonable calculation of the earth's diameter.

And of course, everyone could see the moon, which is clearly spherical, so the starting point of thought is very unlikely to be a flat earth.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #91 on: October 06, 2019, 10:39:21 AM »
Hi Frances
Thank you for the history lesson interesting as it was what has it to do with the early Israelites and there view of the world of whom we are speaking would Noah have any knowledge of what the Greeks discovered.
The point I was trying to make was the creation account we have in Genesis was given to a very simple people in a form they could understand then it was most probably handed down orally then later in written form as we have it now.
It was never meant to answer scientific questions and should not be read in that context what in dose say categorically is that the God of the bible is the creator of all things in heaven and earth and this is the most important thing to remember.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #92 on: October 07, 2019, 12:25:39 PM »
"The point I was trying to make was the creation account we have in Genesis was given to a very simple people in a form they could understand then it was most probably handed down orally then later in written form as we have it now"

What evidence do you have for that assumption.
Have you never thought what is involved in starting farming with no one to teach you, ditto metal working, music, animal husbandry, cloth making, carpentry etc etc etc.

The evidence is that Adam was highly intelligent as were his decendants.

Noah would have seen as all sailors do that distant objects appear over the horizon, teaching him that the earh was round.
Moses who wrote the pentetucs was educated by the premier power in the world, he got the best education going. He like the egyptions would have known that the world was round.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #93 on: October 07, 2019, 02:36:47 PM »
"The point I was trying to make was the creation account we have in Genesis was given to a very simple people in a form they could understand then it was most probably handed down orally then later in written form as we have it now"

What evidence do you have for that assumption.
Have you never thought what is involved in starting farming with no one to teach you, ditto metal working, music, animal husbandry, cloth making, carpentry etc etc etc.

Hi John
Thank you for your reply the only evidence I have is from the academics you say I should listen to as for the rest I assume everything was built up over time a gradual process that is going on even to day         


The evidence is that Adam was highly intelligent as were his decendants.

What evidence do you have for this statement if Adam was as intelligent as you say he would have listened to God and if he was that Good why did God destroy him and all his descendents except for Noah and his family       

Noah would have seen as all sailors do that distant objects appear over the horizon, teaching him that the earh was round.
Moses who wrote the pentetucs was educated by the premier power in the world, he got the best education going. He like the egyptions would have known that the world was round.

done a quick  google and found this

 Around 500 B.C., Pythagoras was the first to declare that the earth was round. He discovered that the moon was round and reasoned that the earth was too.

so may by this will settle this silly argument 500 bc is still a long time after Noah cant find anything that says the Egyptians knew the earth was round and even if they did it was still a long time after Noah and there is nothing in scripture to say that Moses knew the earth was spherical   


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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #94 on: October 11, 2019, 12:39:52 PM »
Hi
Sorry for that diversion let's hope we have put it to rest and get back to the question do you believe in evolution.
Can one believe in evolution and be a Christian I don't think so the choice is God created everything or everything created it's self from dead matter.
I believe God created everything how long it has taken I do not know but I believe it has taken a lot longer than 6 24 hour days.

What do you believe.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #95 on: October 15, 2019, 12:22:11 PM »
Hi
So no take on that question maybe we should look at the other side of the coin the theory of evolution maybe those who have been educated in it can help me out when I get it wrong.
It seems it all started with the big bang it seems no one knows the cause it was just a unexplained explosion.
What I have read is that it created two opposite forces explosion and implosion explosion pushes everything outwards implosion draws everything back.
As I understand it there is only a very small margin of error between these two forces if the force of the explosion was to great no solid objects would form if the force of implosion was any greater everything would be pulled back into one gigantic ball.
This is th first miracle of evolution the balance between these two forces are so small they could not happen by chance so  they are a miracle and only God can perform miracles.
So of there was a big bang God must be the cause.

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