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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #72 on: September 18, 2019, 10:17:03 AM »
2Pet3v8But beloved, do not let this one thing be hidden from you, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9The Lord does not delay the promise, as some esteem slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but all to come to repentance.
10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, and elements will be dissolved, burning with heat, and the earth and the works in it will not be found.

In this passage Peter is alluding to the days of creation being six, followed by one single day of rest.
That Day of Rest is the same as the Day of the Lord found elsewhere in scripture, the day when Christ comes to reign. but we already know from scripture that the reign of Christ is not one day, but will be 1000 years long, his Millennial Reign.

It's a complete nonsense to apply the day/year formula to the 6 days of creation alone, and not to the thousands of years since, and no serious theologian takes that view.

We can see this from the Hebrew calendar.

The Hebrew Calendar doesn't start with the birth of Christ as do most calendars, but with the creation of the earth.
By using all the years and timelines listed throughout the scriptures, theologians agree that today's date 18 Sept 2019, is actually the 18th of Elul, in the year 5776.

So according to theologians, we are now around 6000 years since the creation of Adam, although there may be some minor disputes around that date.
ie. Mankind's 6 days are almost complete, and God's day of rest is close at hand.
From a Hebrew perspective, there are 6000 years of man, followed by 1000 years reign of Messiah.

And take note that Jewish scholars never ever take their dates from the flood, for the simple reason that they reject the idea that the world was created a second time.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #73 on: September 18, 2019, 02:46:02 PM »
No where does it say that the earth was recreated, only that the world was destroyed by water.

Hi John
Thank you for your reply I don't know if it's the way I write or what but I have never said it was a new creation of the earth what I have said is it is a new creation of Man in Gods image which started with  Noah and the end of that creation is Christ at his second coming.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #74 on: September 18, 2019, 04:11:44 PM »
2Pet3v8But beloved, do not let this one thing be hidden from you, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9The Lord does not delay the promise, as some esteem slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but all to come to repentance.
10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, and elements will be dissolved, burning with heat, and the earth and the works in it will not be found.

In this passage Peter is alluding to the days of creation being six, followed by one single day of rest.
That Day of Rest is the same as the Day of the Lord found elsewhere in scripture, the day when Christ comes to reign. but we already know from scripture that the reign of Christ is not one day, but will be 1000 years long, his Millennial Reign.

Hi Frances
Thank you for a interesting post to which I can agree with quite a lot  yes Christs Millennial reign is 1000 years long and if I am right and Christ is the end of creation man in the image of God the only one in scripture  who is said to be the express image of his person then it stands to reason that the 6 1000 year days leading up to the millennium would be the creation process leading up to the day of the lord this creation starts with Noah       



It's a complete nonsense to apply the day/year formula to the 6 days of creation alone, and not to the thousands of years since, and no serious theologian takes that view.

I am not applying the 6 1000 years to the creation before the flood I don't think anyone knows how long that took could be any length of time it is of little interest what is of interest is what happens after the flood everything God needed was on the ark humans and animals the only thing missing was Mankind in the image of God and this would be realised in Christ's millennial reign when Christ the last Adam is united with his bride the church       

We can see this from the Hebrew calendar.

The Hebrew Calendar doesn't start with the birth of Christ as do most calendars, but with the creation of the earth.
By using all the years and timelines listed throughout the scriptures, theologians agree that today's date 18 Sept 2019, is actually the 18th of Elul, in the year 5776.

So according to theologians, we are now around 6000 years since the creation of Adam, although there may be some minor disputes around that date.
ie. Mankind's 6 days are almost complete, and God's day of rest is close at hand.
From a Hebrew perspective, there are 6000 years of man, followed by 1000 years reign of Messiah.

And take note that Jewish scholars never ever take their dates from the flood, for the simple reason that they reject the idea that the world was created a second time.

I could not possibly comment  on what these theologians say I don't have the education for it it's obvious I am at Odds with them by saying the 6000 years began with Noah.
I like the idea of a creation before the Flood It may well have taken millions of years and been a gradual process and would have followed the pattern found in Genesis but what is absolutely certain is God created it.   

By the way I have never said that the world was created a second time so I can agree with the Jewish scholars what I have said is after the flood God set about creating Mankind in his Image Who Is Christ Jesus Our Lord   


2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Col_1:15  Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col_3:10  And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Heb_1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;     


Christ is the only one in the Whole of scripture who is said to be the Image of God and as Such the last Adam the end of creation

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Dave     

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #75 on: September 23, 2019, 04:16:36 PM »
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What no rebuttal must have got it right  which means of course there is no such thing as evolution has never happened  and God did not zap everything together in 6 24 hour days if he did why on earth has it taken thousands of years from the flood to now don't make any sense dose it.

It all boils down to man in the image of God In my previous post I posted scripture which categorically states that that man is Christ Jesus our Lord  the end of creation I can't understand why people don't believe it.
The other thing I don't understand is why the church of man has maintained the the Man in Gods image was some sort of Cave man which God created thousands of years ago to look after the planet when the scriptures tell us that Christ is the express image of his person don't the clergy read the bible.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #76 on: September 23, 2019, 10:49:53 PM »
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What no rebuttal must have got it right  which means of course there is no such thing as evolution has never happened  and God did not zap everything together in 6 24 hour days if he did why on earth has it taken thousands of years from the flood to now don't make any sense dose it.

It all boils down to man in the image of God In my previous post I posted scripture which categorically states that that man is Christ Jesus our Lord  the end of creation I can't understand why people don't believe it.
The other thing I don't understand is why the church of man has maintained the the Man in Gods image was some sort of Cave man which God created thousands of years ago to look after the planet when the scriptures tell us that Christ is the express image of his person don't the clergy read the bible.

Love and Peace
Dave
No rebuttal because it gets too tedious responding to your false doctrines and obsessions around "man in God's image.
You are like a broken record Dave, going round and round endlessly repeating the same old stuff.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #77 on: September 24, 2019, 02:16:20 AM »
Yes we are the same as Adam and Eve - no change ..

In fact if anything we have devolved and are not as God created us to be [unless we are in Christ] even then people can pray the salvation prayer and then devote their lives to the opposite

Something went wrong in Jeremiah 9:5-9 where people are corrupted.

In a strange way the Christian evolves and developes/adapts/ and God enables the born again..

Psalm 104:30 states that although God/Jesus/ created animals - He recreates by His breathe .

Good post @davetaff


It's like "why is a tree a tree ? [because of the seeds it drops or variations]

It all depends on the original creation / but don't forget God continues to regenerate and renew / God is still at work.

He continues with the corrupt creation/ and continues to allow it in His will.

Which may be against many..

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #78 on: September 24, 2019, 02:52:26 PM »
No rebuttal because it gets too tedious responding to your false doctrines and obsessions around "man in God's image.
you are like a broken record Dave, going round and round endlessly repeating the same old stuff.

Hi Frances
Thank you for your reply and I apologise for boring you but I never find Gods word tedious I always view it as alive and always has something to teach us we never plumb the depths.
Of course its not about you and me is it its all about those who view our posts  at the last count over 2500 have viewed this thread so it seams to me there are quite a few who are interested in this topic and as Christians we have a duty to refute the idea of  evolution  and to give a reasonable explanation for creation which I believe I am doing.
I notice you very rarely give a better explanation or interpretation of the scriptures I quote yes I am obsessed with the man in Gods image because that man is Christ  as the scriptures plainly show so I will post the scriptures again and if they do not mean that Christ is the image or God please tell me what they do mean.

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Col_1:15  Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col_3:10  And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Heb_1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
 Col 1:15  Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:    


So if Christ is Not the image of God who is you and me that's ludicrous heres another scripture for you and I would like an answer.

Joh 5:17  But Jesus answered them, ?My Father is working until now, and I am working.?    

If the father was still working in Christs day I must mean his sabbath rest is still future.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #79 on: September 25, 2019, 11:52:19 AM »
Dave,
              If your intention is to refute evolution. This is not the forum to do it.
The viewing stats do not indicate how many nonchristians have seen this post, only how many times it is viewd.

If you want to refute evolution among Christians try the https://www.christianforums.com/
or https://www.worthychristianforums.com/forum/61-christian-discussions/?_fromLogout=1

if it is nonchristians you can try Reddit and christian reddit.
There are lots of nonchristians you like to argue on these two.

The other two you will find Christians who believe in evolution.

or there is https://www.christianityboard.com/


That gives you 4 christian sites with plenty of evolution believing Christians and one full of nonchristians.
https://www.christianforums.com/
https://www.worthychristianforums.com/forum/61-christian-discussions/?_fromLogout=1
https://www.christianityboard.com/

 

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