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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2019, 01:58:20 PM »
Dave,
"And from the dust of the earth God created man Israel." No 'Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed'

There is nothing here about this being Israel. It is Adam, the first man.

As for Israel, that can be Jacob renamed Israel or it can be the nation and clearly Adam is nopt either of those.

Cain is one of the sons of Adam and Eve, not a son of Israel/Jacob nor is he a member of the nation of Israel.
He is a literal man.
Who was his wife?

If God only made Adam and Eve, then logically his wife like the other sons of Adam could only be their sisters.

"I have read that God does not change " Yes God does not change, but he can and does change what he says to us.
In this case there was no ban on marrying ones brother/sister untill the 10 C were given.
How many times did God threaten to destroy the Israelites, but Moses stopped him!


You are seeking spiritual images where you have no biblical example of a spiritual image.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2019, 04:18:35 PM »
Dave,
"And from the dust of the earth God created man Israel." No 'Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Hi John
Thank you for your reply as I said before there was a creation before the flood and it may well have been as you say but it was ruined by the angels who came down and cohabited with the woman so God destroyed that creation with the flood and began a new creation with everything that was on the ark the only thing missing was mankind in Gods image.
God said to Abram your descendants will be like the dust of the earth and from that dust God created Man in his image which was Israel       


8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed'

There is nothing here about this being Israel. It is Adam, the first man.

And God put Israel in a land flowing with milk and Honey this sounds pretty much like an Eden to me at least it follows the same story line of creation Israel is the first Adam of this creation.
       



As for Israel, that can be Jacob renamed Israel or it can be the nation and clearly Adam is nopt either of those.

It was from the descendants of  Jakob that Israel was created Israel was Created by God why ???       

Cain is one of the sons of Adam and Eve, not a son of Israel/Jacob nor is he a member of the nation of Israel.
He is a literal man.
Who was his wife?

Its the story of Cain and Able we need to consider here the older brother kills the younger If I am right and Israel is the first Adam  then he is the older brother that kills his younger brother Christ       

f God only made Adam and Eve, then logically his wife like the other sons of Adam could only be their sisters.

Sorry John you will need to back this with scripture marrying your sister is a no no that's why there was 8 people on the ark so we could have a diverse gene pool   

"I have read that God does not change " Yes God does not change, but he can and does change what he says to us.
In this case there was no ban on marrying ones brother/sister untill the 10 C were given.
How many times did God threaten to destroy the Israelites, but Moses stopped him!

Where in scripture dose it say it's ok to marry your sister where dose it say  God changes his mind or laws     

Gen 1:25  And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.      

Note it says everything that creeps on the ground this could well include mankind   

You are seeking spiritual images where you have no biblical example of a spiritual image.

everything in Scripture is physical which has a spiritual counterpart and we need to look to the spiritual our Lord and Savior is spirit       

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2019, 04:51:23 PM »
There is no evidence for an earlier creation.

Cannan, the Israelites were not put there they had to walk.

You cannot push command back from the time they were given, If you believe that Adam's children could not marry each othe you will have to provide a command dating from Adam's time.
That or believe that God lied when he says he created Adam and Eve as the only people.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2019, 06:22:20 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply it seems to me the only contention we have is what is man in Gods image and the answer is found in Hebrews.

Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high   

this is only said of Christ no one else here is another scripture that supports what I say.

Col 1:15  Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 
Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 
Col 1:18  And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.      


Gods purpose in genesis was to create man in his image and the only one in the whole of scripture who fills the bill is Christ why don't you believe what the scriptures say.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #60 on: May 24, 2019, 05:08:40 PM »
Hi
So when we have all this proof of God glorious creation how can anyone believe in evolution in all the prophecies of the OT we have the history of mankind mapped out before us the crowning glory the second coming of Christ of which there are many prophecies from thousands of  years ago as there are for his first coming.
if this is not proof of God creation I don't know what is.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #61 on: June 14, 2019, 06:50:48 PM »
Hi
So when we have all this proof of God glorious creation how can anyone believe in evolution in all the prophecies of the OT we have the history of mankind mapped out before us the crowning glory the second coming of Christ of which there are many prophecies from thousands of  years ago as there are for his first coming.
if this is not proof of God creation I don't know what is.

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Dave 
Before anyone looks to the scriptures for evidence of creation, he must already believe in the God of the bible. If a man doesn't believe in the God of the bible, it makes no sense that would he look to the bible for proof of creation. He could equally look to the Hindu scriptures and find the world was made by some elephant or monkey God!

It is creation itself that speaks of God as creator, as described by Paul in Romans1.
Those who look at the natural world, and conclude that it made itself, are already rejecting God as creator.
Those who look at the natural world, and conclude that God must have made it, are already on their way to being a believer.

Romans1v18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
To suppress the truth, they must have first been given it.

19For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
Exactly, the truth has been already given by God as highlighted by God's creation.

20For since the creation of the world God?s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.
They are without excuse because God is clearly revealed in his creation, and all men know this deep inside themselves, they know this truth but refuse to acknowledge it.

There will be no excuses whatsoever in the last judgement!
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #62 on: June 15, 2019, 11:26:52 AM »
Hi Frances
Thank you for your reply at least we can agree on that believe in  creation is essential if we don't then we make God out to be a liar 

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Dave

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #63 on: September 15, 2019, 05:18:58 PM »
Hi
It''s gone awfully quite on here thought I'd revive this old thread always good for a bit of controversy the thing is if you accept my creation account  then the problem between Creation and evolution disappears.
the big bone of contention is the 6 24 hour days   what I say is the 6 days started with Noah and were 1000 years long as said by St Peter.

This means the creation process before the flood could have been any length of time the only thing missing when Noah stepped of the ark with everything that was on it was Man in Gods image and that means the whole of mankind created in the image of God under one king Jesus Christ our Lord this is the end of creation.

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Dave 

 

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