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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #280 on: May 13, 2020, 10:06:35 PM »
Hi Strobe
And welcome I don't like the word evolution it gives the impression that everything made itself out of dead matter I much prefer  creation that it has taken the time science says it has I don't have a problem with.This.
So evolution has never happens but creation by the God of the bible is ongoing the crowning glory of which is man (mankind ) in the image of God which is Christ at his second coming.

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Hello Dave, thanks for the welcome, it's good to be here. First of all I have to say that I am by no means an expert in biology but I have read some books and I think I understand the topic to some extent. The theory of evolution most certainly does not say or in any way imply that anything made itself out of dead things, just the opposite in fact. It says that organisms are liable to change over time due to natural selection, that is all. It explains the diversity of life, not the existence of it. Unfortunately many christians  have only listened to arguments from creationists such as Kent Hovind and Ken Ham and neglected to look into the incredible body of scientific work in this field. This is a terrible problem because, and I know this from personal experience, when they do they see that creationist arguments fall on their faces, unable to stand the scrutiny of experts in the field. This in turn leads to disillusionment and throwing out the baby with the bathwater when they reject christianity. It is my firm conviction that creationism is false, creationist leaders are charlatans and wolves in sheep's clothing and have never won an argument or debate with an expert. The only thing I am more certain about in fact is that God lives and will return soon enough to redeem His creation, even the creationists. Love and peace to you too.
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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #281 on: May 14, 2020, 07:40:14 AM »
I prefer to use the term science but do believe in some forms of evolution. Just there is no  plausible evidence ,that humans developed from being a completely different animal.

A major flaw in evolution, is that our Creator is not addressed, and the thought, power and design can be overlooked not pinpointing a Creator.

Of course many who address our Creator can see the wonder and awe of creation, in the majestic sunsets, and flowers to the incredible way our bodies work. The information in DNA and intrinsic working of the body.
We could say much more, and the wonder is often discussed with believers and unbelievers alike.
Just many unbelievers deny God within this, or are unsure.

Hello Strobe . I just need to say that I don't think it's fair or accurate to stereotype creationists
as charlotins and wolves in sheep's clothing. That's a generalisation giving a trait to everyone placed in a group or box.
Every individual is different whether they are creationists or not. Some maybe as you described, within many categories, and some not within the same category , and only God knows the truth. This cannot be said towards people that don't fit people's own opinions. There's a lot of philosophising and movement currently, that persecutes God and those who are believers and so I think we need to be aware and careful with this.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #282 on: May 14, 2020, 08:25:43 AM »
As for winning or losing a debate- the battle belongs to the Lord.

When the time comes, and many ( not all cases) seen as foolish defeated by their clever opponents will be seen to wise.

For people created by God can think and say what they like but that doesn't make them right in God's eyes and Christ is the Rock of truth, who wins the last battle.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #283 on: May 14, 2020, 10:32:51 PM »
I prefer to use the term science but do believe in some forms of evolution. Just there is no  plausible evidence ,that humans developed from being a completely different animal.

A major flaw in evolution, is that our Creator is not addressed, and the thought, power and design can be overlooked not pinpointing a Creator.

Of course many who address our Creator can see the wonder and awe of creation, in the majestic sunsets, and flowers to the incredible way our bodies work. The information in DNA and intrinsic working of the body.
We could say much more, and the wonder is often discussed with believers and unbelievers alike.
Just many unbelievers deny God within this, or are unsure.

Hello Strobe . I just need to say that I don't think it's fair or accurate to stereotype creationists
as charlotins and wolves in sheep's clothing. That's a generalisation giving a trait to everyone placed in a group or box.
Every individual is different whether they are creationists or not. Some maybe as you described, within many categories, and some not within the same category , and only God knows the truth. This cannot be said towards people that don't fit people's own opinions. There's a lot of philosophising and movement currently, that persecutes God and those who are believers and so I think we need to be aware and careful with this.

Hi Christianna
Maybe my wording was too harsh and I'll take a step back from it. It does appear though that some are not above using underhanded methods and misleading people. No doubt their intentions are good but you know where a road paved like that goes.
Biologists don't exactly say humans developed from completely different animals, but from very similar animals which in turn developed from animals similar to them and so on back to the start. It's our job to fit God into the process (I don't like putting it that way but I'll have to let it stand for now) and I think that developing an understanding of the theory may be a good place to start.
Warm regards and love
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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #284 on: May 15, 2020, 12:52:18 AM »
Hi Strobe,

Thank you for your answer. I will seek the Lord and pray for the truth. Probably many will say that's ridiculous. Yet the Holy Spirit is the best teacher and just wouldn't want to insult Him.
So far I can't find much reasonable to understand how humans were other animals. Only let God correct me if I'm wrong.
Kind Regards and God Bless.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #285 on: May 15, 2020, 02:21:44 PM »
Hello Dave, thanks for the welcome, it's good to be here. First of all I have to say that I am by no means an expert in biology but I have read some books and I think I understand the topic to some extent. The theory of evolution most certainly does not say or in any way imply that anything made itself out of dead things, just the opposite in fact. It says that organisms are liable to change over time due to natural selection, that is all. It explains the diversity of life, not the existence of it. Unfortunately many christians  have only listened to arguments from creationists such as Kent Hovind and Ken Ham and neglected to look into the incredible body of scientific work in this field. This is a terrible problem because, and I know this from personal experience, when they do they see that creationist arguments fall on their faces, unable to stand the scrutiny of experts in the field. This in turn leads to disillusionment and throwing out the baby with the bathwater when they reject christianity. It is my firm conviction that creationism is false, creationist leaders are charlatans and wolves in sheep's clothing and have never won an argument or debate with an expert. The only thing I am more certain about in fact is that God lives and will return soon enough to redeem His creation, even the creationists. Love and peace to you too.

Hi Strobe
Just to clarify when I said I don't believe life came from dead matter I was assuming science was right and in the beginning the earth was a ball of fire so hot that nothing we know of could live in the heat so    when the earth cooled it would have bean sterile so the question is did the first life forms create them selves out of a sterile environment dead matter.
or did God the creator of all things begin life on this planet with a one celled organism which was programmed to turn into all the life forms we have to day think of it as Gods fantastic computer program.

Love and Peace
Dave   

 

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