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Offline davetaff

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #208 on: January 17, 2020, 12:41:49 PM »
Hi
But we are created from a rock.

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Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. note View more

1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. note View more

1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed       


So the rock we are created from is Christ how wonderful is that and then we have.

Mat 21:42 Jesus asked them, ?Have you never read in the Scriptures, ?The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. This was the Lord?s doing, and it is amazing in our eyes


The cornerstone of the temple which is his body of which we are a part.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #209 on: January 17, 2020, 02:46:51 PM »

But there's a large overlap between the two categories. What about scientists who are evolutionists?
Who?

I want to know what you believe, Deborah.
You present no content, no reasoning and no evidence yet you say Evolution is the best explanation. That's frightful.

If you hold a belief unreasoned from the Creation, then you are placing another god before you.

If you allow an ideology to enter your spirit, you are bowing down before a false idol.

If you seek salvation from soulless 'authorities', then you are in danger of engaging with dark principalities.

Don't let a mis-guided primary school teacher hold your soul to ransom.  Come back to life.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #210 on: January 17, 2020, 04:32:54 PM »
But there's a large overlap between the two categories. What about scientists who are evolutionists?

Who?

The vast majority of atheist scientists. It must be a large number.
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but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #211 on: January 17, 2020, 04:50:08 PM »

I want to know what you believe, Deborah.
You present no content, no reasoning and no evidence yet you say Evolution is the best explanation. That's frightful.

If you hold a belief unreasoned from the Creation, then you are placing another god before you.

If you allow an ideology to enter your spirit, you are bowing down before a false idol.

If you seek salvation from soulless 'authorities', then you are in danger of engaging with dark principalities.

Don't let a mis-guided primary school teacher hold your soul to ransom.  Come back to life.

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You say you want to know what I believe. But you obviously think that you know already - and you seem very keen to view me in the worst possible light. Why?

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You present no content, no reasoning and no evidence yet you say Evolution is the best explanation. That's frightful.

What did I actually say? 

But evolution (without the ism) is not a faith system. It's currently the best scientific explanation for the diversity of life on earth (this is what the word 'theory' means in a scientific context - the evidence fits it).

Is there really any dispute about this? This is why evolution is taught in schools (whether we like it or not). There are other possible explanations for the diversity of species on earth, of course (such as the creationist one, that God created all species just as we see them now), but they can't be described as a 'best fit' with the scientific data. What is so frightful about acknowledging this? To deny it amounts to burying one's head in the sand and hoping that the science will just quietly go away.
If you want to look at the scientific evidence, then go to the Biologos website (where it's presented free from atheist propaganda). https://biologos.org

Note that evolution is not an explanation for the origin of life on Earth, just its diversity.

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Don't let a mis-guided primary school teacher hold your soul to ransom.
What on earth do you mean by that? What 'teacher' are you referring to?

I can reassure you that I am not an evolutionist and I do believe that God created the universe.

https://biologos.org
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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #212 on: January 17, 2020, 09:55:31 PM »
The vast majority of atheist scientists. It must be a large number.
Yet you can't find one.

It's your idol it seems. Good luck with that.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #213 on: January 17, 2020, 10:43:03 PM »
I ask you questions. You don't answer anything. You don't want to debate. So your mind appears fixed.

[quote = "Deborah"]
Is there really any dispute about this?
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Yes. I just disputed it repeatedly. And in detail.

 Q1) Why do you ignore the science on mutation rates?

Q2) Again, name me one scientist who believes in the Theory of Evolution.
[quote = Deborah]
 This is why evolution is taught in schools
[/quote]No. Evolution is chosen because it denies God (whether we like it or not).

[quote = Deborah]
There are other possible explanations for the diversity of species on earth, of course (such as the creationist one, that God created all species just as we see them now), but they can't be described as a 'best fit' with the scientific data.
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So,
 Q3. How does Evolution Theory fit with the scientific data about the rate of mutations?

[quote = Deborah]
What is so frightful about acknowledging this? To deny it amounts to burying one's head in the sand and hoping that the science will just quietly go away.
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I agree. So:

Q4. Why are you ignoring the science?

[quote = Deborah]
Note that evolution is not an explanation for the origin of life on Earth, just its diversity.
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Wrong. The Theory has always presumed to explain not only diversity but the origin of species. It also presumes to explain diversity by way of natural selection, but it also has theories about why races get preserved in the struggle for life.

That would explain why Darwin wrote a book called: "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life".

[quote = Deborah]
What on earth do you mean by that? What 'teacher' are you referring to?
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The one you gave your faith to. It's clear you can't defend your faith, you can only  refer to unnamed authorities. You react as if belief is based on a half-remembered teacher.

[quote = Deborah]
If you want to look at the scientific evidence, then go to the Biologos website (where it's presented free from atheist propaganda). https://biologos.org
[/quote] Then why don't you? Then perhaps you could answer my questions.

[quote = Deborah]
I can reassure you that I am not an evolutionist and I do believe that God created the universe
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I'm sorry Deborah. Perhaps you are not here to troll, but if you don't attempt to  answer a single one of my questions then I have to assume you are only here to divert the thread.

Look, more debunking below! With evidence! What are you going to do? Tell me to 'go and look at the science'?
Haa!
https://biologos.org

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #214 on: January 17, 2020, 11:32:24 PM »
The radio-dating scam

It works like this:

Uranium is shedding electrons and turning into lead. So if you measure how much lead a piece of uranium makes after 40 years, you can make a guess how much it makes after 2 billion years. You've got yourself a geological clock. Now find some rock that's half uranium, half lead; you can suppose it's half the age as a fully leaded rock.
"4.5 billion" years.

And that's it.

You can use different elements but the same problems come back every time. How do you know how much uranium there was in the first place? How do you know the lead didn't get there from somewhere else? Or that different pressures or temperatures didn't accelerate the change?

They don't. It's why brand new rock witnessed forming from volcanos gets dated to billions of years old.

Rock from the  northwestern slopes of Mt Ngauruhoe in New Zealand was dated to around  3.5 million years, even though it cooled from lavas seen forming 20 to 50 years ago.

It's why rock containing fossilised trees get dated to before life began!

The modern dating system is a weak supposition. On its own, it does not disprove a literal interpretation of Genesis nor can it prove the Earth is older than 6023 years old.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #215 on: January 17, 2020, 11:41:12 PM »
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