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Offline Cacadores

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #192 on: January 13, 2020, 08:28:25 PM »
I wasn?t aware I even had a creed to defend! 
Thank you.
Well, a good thing you know now, then.

"Current evidence for evolution would make a mockery of your argument using Huxley" is a creed that the evolutionary theory is an authority.

No need to thank me.

The fact that you do not even understand the meaning of the word ?theory? as used in science is quite worrying though.
Might be if it were true. But you have no evidence I don't and your reasoning powers have been absent. And if you are not really worried, that would be an untruth.

Please think before you rebel against John 1:1-3 again. It leads to unreason and foolishness.

  So yes I am saying you need to read some more.
Another unevidenced assertion. You have provided assertions instead of either research or reasoning. Or content and that is rebellion.

I have no interest in debating this subject these days
..... having recently posted twice on the subject! Rebellion against John 1:1-3 leads very quickly to unreason, as you've shown us. Please don't let it lead you against the Bible:
(Eph. 5:1)
(Isa. 65:16)
(Job 34:12)
(Ps. 116:11)
(John 4:24) & (14:6).

I?ve spent decades doing that, all the info is available with a simple google search,
Decades? Odd that that you should loose the knack so quickly.

it doesn?t bother me what people believe, it?s irritating when they use bad science though 😆
Then why copy them?

Jesus cracked the code. And the code is the Logos.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #193 on: January 13, 2020, 10:06:12 PM »
Hi @Cacadores ,

You continue to amuse me, and continue to be a shining example of why I won?t waste my time and energy on this subject .

I shall certainly be keeping an eye out for your posts, gripping stuff, not to mention your reply to this, which will as usual, have the love, understanding and fellowship dripping from the text, being such a good Christian and all that.

It?s been a pleasure and an eye opener, so thanks for that too.

TaraH


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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #194 on: January 13, 2020, 10:10:27 PM »
Yes. Dust has no animating force

Surely that's a similarity between rock and dust, not a difference!

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and no one claims Adam was descended from dust.

But Genesis 2 says that he was made from dust.

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Might be if it were true.
Actually, in this instance she's right.

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and your reasoning powers have been absent.
Please stop making such abusive comments to people you disagree with.
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but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #195 on: January 13, 2020, 11:04:18 PM »
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You continue to amuse me, and continue to be a shining example of why I won?t waste my time and energy on this subject .

Yet you have posted thrice in a short space of time on this very subject.

Your posts seem confused, TaraH.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #196 on: January 13, 2020, 11:53:28 PM »
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Surely that's a similarity between rock and dust, not a difference!

What is? Adam was not descended from dust. He was made of it. The word is "descended" :

Descended adjective:
A person who is descended from someone who lived a long time ago is directly related to them.

You may believe you are related to a rock. That is your freedom. That is your choice. Why not give us some evidence to support that idea?

It looks like a stupid idea to me. But it's made to seem even more stupid, as I'm sure you can appreciate, when no one is prepared to give any reason for it. Without reason we are not even conscious. We are not fulfilling our gifts.
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But Genesis 2 says that he was made from dust.

Yes. 'Made' verses 'descended'. Two different words. Well done.
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Actually, in this instance she's right.

So 'made of' means the same as 'descended from'. I think you're on your own here.
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Please stop making such abusive comments to people you disagree with.
My comments have always been properly directed towards their text, not the person. The texts are works and works are of the world. The person is animated by the soul and the soul inspired by the Spirit. What matters attachment to works when the works are of the world? It's the soul needs salvation, not attachments.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #197 on: January 14, 2020, 08:27:43 AM »
@Cacadores
This is the flow of the conversation:
Hi @Cacadores ,
 The fact that you do not even understand the meaning of the word ?theory? as used in science is quite worrying though. 
TaraH


Might be if it were true.



Actually, in this instance she's right.

And on the subject of being "descended from a rock", that was an expression that you brought in. No scientist believes that we are "descended" from a rock (rocks don't have DNA) or even related to one, so it's you who is conflating the words "descended" and "made".

You seem to have a habit of overstating the case, for example:
 
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Evolution is a faith system.
Evolutionism is a faith system. That's the belief that evolution alone is responsible for life on earth. But evolution (without the ism) is not a faith system. It's currently the best scientific explanation for the diversity of life on earth (this is what the word 'theory' means in a scientific context - the evidence fits it). And evolution doesn't of itself rule out belief in God.
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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #198 on: January 14, 2020, 11:32:47 AM »
Hi
Just like to give my opinion on Adam from the dust of the earth.

God said to Abraham.


 14  And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:

 15  For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

 16  And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered         


So Abrahams seed is the dust of the earth and from this God created Israel man in his image

.Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son       

So why complicate things with science the people the bible was written for would not have clue about science as we know it.
 the bible is a simple story of creation the crowning glory of which is Jesus Christ

.  Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high   

The end of creation.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #199 on: January 15, 2020, 02:30:49 AM »

And on the subject of being "descended from a rock", that was an expression that you brought in. No scientist believes that we are "descended" from a rock (rocks don't have DNA) or even related to one, so it's you who is conflating the words "descended" and "made".
You're right. Scientists don't believe in it at all. But you do. Without evidence. I'm interested why. I wish you were.
You seem to have a habit of overstating the case, for example:
Evolutionism is a faith system. That's the belief that evolution alone is responsible for life on earth. But evolution (without the ism) is not a faith system. It's currently the best scientific explanation for the diversity of life on earth (this is what the word 'theory' means in a scientific context - the evidence fits it). And evolution doesn't of itself rule out belief in God.
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'Best explanation'? You have just proven that for you, Evolution is a "faith system". You overstate your case. Because:

Evolution was debunked years ago. It cannot pass the maths test: there has not been time or the quantity of matter on Earth for evolution to have occurred beyond four heritable changes. Fact. Even its famous arch proponent, Dawkins, no longer believes in Earth-based evolution.

But you do. So, you can prove that Evolution is not your faith very quickly. Just give us a piece of evidence. Any evidence.

Anything?

 

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