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Offline Cacadores

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #184 on: January 11, 2020, 07:45:12 PM »
Hi
Was reading a book on evolution don't understand much of it but what struck me was the complexity of life in one place it said if you join all the DNA in the human body end to end it would stretch from here to the moon and back 8000 times.
Now as I understand it DNA is information so dose this information come from God is DNA God's gigantic computer program created By God to produce an end result which is man in his image.
Just a thought.

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No. Because it's not your thought, is it. Somewhere inside you know that your ancestor is not a rock. Please examine where that thought may have come from.

There isn't time.

Maths proves Evolution impossible


Aldus Huxley speculated that to 'evolve' an antilope into a horse would take thousands of DNA chromasomal mutations. So:

The liklihood a bacteria will produce a heritable mutation is 10 to the power of (ttp) 7. That's fine. A test tube of bacteria could have one or two with heritable mutations. To produce two mutations, is  10 ttp 7 times 10 ttp 7 which equals 10 ttp 14. You'd need a large lake of bacteria to have a chance of getting a line of two heritable mutations. Two mutations, that's a fly with a bent wing, a little larger than his grandfather's.

What about three heritable mutations? That's one chance in 10 ttp 21. Suddenly there isn't enough water in the oceans of the Earth to hold the amount of bacteria you'd need to have a chance. Once you get to four heritable mutations, 10 ttp 28, that's about twice the number of stars in our galaxy. Five, that's more than the estimated number of stars in the Universe. Once you get to the chances of ten or more heritable mutations, the chance is less than the chance of finding a particular molecule in the universe by luck.

Time doesn't help. Life is supposed to have started 3.5 billion years ago. There aren't enough hours in 3.5 billion years for bacteria to have had the time to produce more than a handful of heritable mutations in one ancestral line. Let alone thousands upon thousands.

 The theory of evolution was debunked years ago, and exists only as a god-denying fairy story in school books.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #185 on: January 12, 2020, 10:00:47 AM »
Hi Cacadores
Thank you for your reply but I am not promoting evolution but God's creation I do not believe in evolution you may well be right there is not enough time but there would be enough time for Creation by God.
How old is the earth if only 10000 years where do the fossils come from or coal seams why did God create them don't seam to make much sense.
Would God deceive us in this way making the earth look much older than it is.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #186 on: January 12, 2020, 10:44:10 AM »
Hi @Cacadores ,

I?ve been reading this thread, with interest, particularly, your use of Aldous Huxley, who died in 1963, and who wrote prolifically in the 20?s and 30?s.   Do you not think you should perhaps look for more recent data in defence of creation?  Current evidence for evolution would make a mockery of your argument using Huxley, especially since he was more known for what he said about religion.

I?m not participating in this debate, as the kids would say - just saying 😜

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #187 on: January 12, 2020, 11:37:40 PM »
Hi Cacadores
Thank you for your reply but I am not promoting evolution but God's creation I do not believe in evolution you may well be right there is not enough time but there would be enough time for Creation by God.

Of course. Six days.
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How old is the earth if only 10000 years where do the fossils come from or coal seams why did God create them don't seam to make much sense.
Would God deceive us in this way making the earth look much older than it is.
It doesn't look old to me. It looks fresh and young. Open your eyes.

Fossels are mineralised shells and bones. They don't need hundreds of thousands of years to form. Fossels can form in a thousand years. Coal is formed by compost under great pressure. Standard theory is that rotting shale forests were subject to repeated inundation. A flood and sinking land would do the same job. Again, it doesn't require billions of years.

Remember John 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.

Logic and science is from God. Look it in the face. It does not betray His works. What would you like to discuss, the fossel record, mountain uplift?

We all know that's not what's happening here. I'm afraid school may have made someone here take on another faith, another belief.

Evolution is no more than a religion. Hold it up to the cold light of scientific scrutiny. It fails every time.


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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #188 on: January 12, 2020, 11:52:12 PM »
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I?ve been reading this thread, with interest, particularly, your use of Aldous Huxley, who died in 1963, and who wrote prolifically in the 20?s and 30s.   Do you not think you should perhaps look for more recent data in defence of creation?
Thank you. Look and learn. So I should look for data?
As opposed to asking YOU to defend your creed?

The First Commandment: Thou shalt have no other gods before you.

The god? The god of modernism and material progress. New is best, new is the future. And a book along with our conscience, that records the trials and successes of a people over thousands of years teaches us nothing?
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  Current evidence for evolution would make a mockery of your argument using Huxley, especially since he was more known for what he said about religion.

Really. Though as you fail to cite any "evidence for evolution" I guess we can dismiss that thought.
Huxley talked about thousands of mutations to make a horse from an antelope..

I guess if you'd had a different figure you'd tell us. But you seem not to have one!
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I?m not participating in this debate, as the kids would say - just saying 😜
Is it not possible that you have taken the theory (note that word, theory) of evolution on faith?

It is tearing you away. Evolution is a faith system. It does not stand up to science. Do you really believe you are descended from a rock?

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #189 on: January 13, 2020, 12:14:49 AM »
Hi @Cacadores ,

I wasn?t aware I even had a creed to defend!  The fact that you do not even understand the meaning of the word ?theory? as used in science is quite worrying though.  So yes I am saying you need to read some more.

I have no interest in debating this subject these days, I?ve spent decades doing that, all the info is available with a simple google search, it doesn?t bother me what people believe, it?s irritating when they use bad science though 😆

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #190 on: January 13, 2020, 04:41:31 PM »
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Do you really believe you are descended from a rock?

Is it that much different from God saying to Adam, "You are dust"?
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #191 on: January 13, 2020, 07:50:51 PM »
Is it that much different from God saying to Adam, "You are dust"?
Yes. Dust has no animating force and no one claims Adam was descended from dust.

 

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