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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #128 on: November 14, 2019, 04:17:17 PM »
In creation being created in 6 days. It's possible, if you remember Jesus can do things that are not explained by the laws of science.

Such as turning water into wine, healing the sick, raising the dead. They were instant.



Christianna,
                    We have to slow to Dave's speed. He does not believe God can say a word and the whole space that is the universe is there, or that he can say another word and energy, matter, the laws of physics, chemistry, rules of engineering, maths etc are in existence.
He believes that God had to slowly put the universe and the science iot operates on together using trial and error over hundreds if not thousands of years.



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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #129 on: November 14, 2019, 05:40:24 PM »
Dave,
2Peter:3-8 is speaking of the world God created in genesis 1 which was destroyed by the flood.
The world that existed prior to the flood was very different to the world we live in today.
It had one continent, today there are seven.
The whole world was full of abundant live, today parts of this world are full of abundant life, many parts are not and due to how the climate works cannot be.

There has only been one period of creat found in genesis one and it is crystal clear that God rested after that period. How is it possible that you were not aware of that simple fact.

As for will Jesus or God recreate the heavens and the earth. As Jesus is God and we are told that it was Jesus that made everything the quest become irrelevent.

Hi John
thank you for your reply yes Peter is speaking about the first Creation ( world ) and a second creation ( world ) the first world perished in water the flood to me the word Perished means destroyed ceased to exist so God began again with Noah you really need to read those verses from St Peter again very slowly I don't understand why you don't believe what the scriptures say and prefer what man has to say.

you mention  Pangaea the one continent which existed millions of years ago are you now advocating evolution.
Yes God rests after he finishes the creation the last thing he creates is mankind in his image witch is Jesus Christ and all those that belong to him.
Are you saying that Jesus is God the Father you will need to prove that with scripture.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #130 on: November 15, 2019, 02:43:29 PM »
Dave,
           If the world is covered with over a mile depth of water for at least a year one can safewly say that the world that existed before that flood has been destroyed.
There still is a planet. There still is an atmosphere, there still ios soil and plants will start growing in that soil as it dries out and warms up.

That is what is found in the bible. It is only your strange unbiblical ideas that let you believe that God had to start again creating the world.

As for pangia, read genesis. It says God caused all the water to gather in one place and for the dry land to appear.
If there was only one body of water there can only have been one body of land. It is what genesis actualy says.
Just like Peter talkls about a global flood but does not talk about a second creation.

And your back with Jesus being man made in Gods image.
Genesis says let 'us' the trinity make man in our image and they made Adam. Not Jesus, the second person of the trinity who was part of the trinity making Adam.

Allk I have said about Jesus is that he is God. Which he is and as both John and Hebrews claim it was Jesus who did the act of creation it equally follows that the creation of a new heaven and a new earth will also be given to Jesus.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #131 on: November 15, 2019, 05:09:29 PM »
Dave,
           If the world is covered with over a mile depth of water for at least a year one can safewly say that the world that existed before that flood has been destroyed.
There still is a planet. There still is an atmosphere, there still ios soil and plants will start growing in that soil as it dries out and warms up.

That is what is found in the bible. It is only your strange unbiblical ideas that let you believe that God had to start again creating the world.

Hi John
do you ever read what I write I have said after the flood God  began a new creation with everything that was on the ark the world existed all the animals God needed was on the ark plus 8 human beings  the only thing missing was Man in Gods image which is Christ as we are told in Hebrews

Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 
Heb 1:     

why do you refuse  to believe what the scripture say   


As for pangia, read genesis. It says God caused all the water to gather in one place and for the dry land to appear.
If there was only one body of water there can only have been one body of land. It is what genesis actualy says.
Just like Peter talkls about a global flood but does not talk about a second creation.


I have always said That God created everything before the flood and destroyed everything in the flood except for Noah and everything on the ark  If you are bringing   Pangaea into the discussion then you agree with science that the world is millions of years old.
What did St Peter have to say you seam to have difficult in understanding the scripture

2Pe 3:6  Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 
2Pe 3:7  But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 
     
As you can see the world before the flood perished then he go's on to say that the heavens and earth witch are now which makes it clear it is a new world the old world Perished   


And your back with Jesus being man made in Gods image.
Genesis says let 'us' the trinity make man in our image and they made Adam. Not Jesus, the second person of the trinity who was part of the trinity making Adam.

Allk I have said about Jesus is that he is God. Which he is and as both John and Hebrews claim it was Jesus who did the act of creation it equally follows that the creation of a new heaven and a new earth will also be given to Jesus.

Sorry John but I don't do the trinity it can't be found in scripture and nobody in scripture teaches it if it was that important Christ would have told us plainly yes everything was created through Christ and for Christ 
If Christ is the father why dose Paul say

1Co_15:24  Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.        
why would he deliver the kingdom to the father if he is the Father

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #132 on: November 15, 2019, 11:25:05 PM »
God in an instant out of nothing created everything and then ceased creating - now everything recreates itself according to its kind - wincam
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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #133 on: November 16, 2019, 09:15:42 AM »
Dave,
             Just as you need to read what scripture says and not what you think ot says. So you need to read what I write.
I have not said Jesus is the Father, only that Jesus is God.
As for the trinity read matthew 25, the great commission .

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #134 on: November 16, 2019, 09:52:39 AM »
Dave,
             Just as you need to read what scripture says and not what you think ot says. So you need to read what I write.
I have not said Jesus is the Father, only that Jesus is God.
As for the trinity read matthew 25, the great commission .

Hi John
Thank you for your reply I do read the scriptures and believe everything it says but you choose to ignore the scriptures I quote if I my interpretation is so wrong please give me a better one.
You do not need to say God is the Father St Paul does that for us in what I quoted above 1Co_15:24 so if you say Jesus is God it implies he is the Father.
That Jesus is a God is true because he is the son of God so must be a God but he is not the Father there is only one God as scripture teaches.

I have read Matthew 25 and what it has to do with the trinity is beyond me please explain

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #135 on: November 16, 2019, 10:06:17 AM »
God in an instant out of nothing created everything and then ceased creating - now everything recreates itself according to its kind - wincam


Hi Wincam
Welcome to the discussion and thank you for your input but unfortunately it contradicts scripture which says.

.  Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work   

Love and Peace
Dave

 

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