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Offline John

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #120 on: November 13, 2019, 08:54:55 AM »
Hi John
thank you for your reply you can judge me any way you like I do not count the judgement of men I will stand before the judgement seat of Christ that's the only judgement that counts.
You say what I say is unbiblical Yet almost everything I post contains scripture to support it which you seam to ignore you hardly ever say what you think the scripture means lets look at some of the scriptures I have posted and you give your explanation.

Lets begin with

.   Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth       

If I understand you correctly this means that God created a cave man or something similar said it was very good put his feet up and took a rest.
Don't you read what the verse says it says in our image not in my image  after our likeness not my likeness then it says let them not let him let them have dominion over everything that God has created to look after it the whole verse screams a lot more people than one man and one woman looking after the planet and at the present time we are not looking after the planet but destroying it

then we have this again which you have ignored

Joh 5:17  But Jesus answered them, ?My Father is working until now, and I am working.?       

If God was still working 2000 years ago when did he rest the answer is

Heb 4:9  So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,         

to me this is as plain as the nose on your face Gods rest is still a  future  event

then who is man in Gods image the answer is Christ the crowning glory of creation.

Heb 1:2  but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
Heb 1:3  He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,       


Please read these verses carefully they are said of no other person in scripture Christ at his second coming is mankind in Gods image.

To say a prehistoric man was the image of God is an insult to God.

Love and Peace
Dave 

There is no biblical evidence that Adam was a cave man.
In fact the bible tells us that within a few generations they had metal working, domesticated animals, and musical instruments.
Adam and his children were not stupid or primative.

Genesis says God rested on the seventh day. why do you doubt what God has told us. A day of rest does not imply that God continues to rest.
As it says in Genesis, 'Let us make man in our image. Not so we look like God, but so we are reasoning, moarl and spiritual beings.

Jesus is already God, he does not need to become the image of God, it is what he already and always has been.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #121 on: November 13, 2019, 11:53:11 AM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply you still have not addressed any of the scriptures I have quoted but have given me your opinion of what the bible says.
So let's try to agree on something we both believe that God created man in his image in 6 days your days are 24 hours long my Days are 1000 years long the most important thing is we both believe God is the creator.
You believe God finished the creation thousands of years ago I believe it will be finished with the return of Christ he is the crowning glory of creation.
I have given numerous quotes from scripture to support my beliefs
Here's another one from St Paul.

.  Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.     

This to me says creation was still on going when Paul wrote this what does it say to you?

What you believe was good enough before Darwin came on the scene but now satan has put a spoke in the wheel and we need to remove it.
I may not have everything right who does and I will continue with this line of enquiry unless someone can prove me wrong from scripture.

God's Sabbath rest is still a future event and we can enter into it it is the millennium reign of Christ hope to see you there.

Is is the son of God as stated in scripture he is also the son of man the man being Israel.

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Dave

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #122 on: November 13, 2019, 12:58:26 PM »
Dave,
 I told you what the bible says. Have you never read gen 4. Able had flocks, domesticated animals.
Cains grandson Jubal the father of musians and Tubal cain the father of blacksmiths.
As for the length of the days in genesis have you never read the 10 comandments and there reference to God creating in 6 days so you are to labour. This is nonsence of each day is a thousand years.

God himself declared that the work of creation was finished.

Jesus's return will herald the re creation of a new heaven and aNew earth. which will also cease the creations groaning because of the affect of sin on it.,


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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #123 on: November 13, 2019, 02:51:54 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply yes there was the creation before the flood I have never disputed that but God destroyed that creation did he not I don't know how long that creation took if you believe it took 6 24 hour days that's fine but I don't think we are told how long that creation was around yes and people were doing the things you say but what we do know is God destroyed that creation so how could God say it was very Good ?.

Read the following very carefully

  2Pe 3:5  For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, 
2Pe 3:6  and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. 
2Pe 3:7  But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. 
2Pe 3:8  But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.      


So Peter is talking nonsense here he is telling us there are two worlds the one before the flood which God destroyed and the one after the flood which is the world we are living in at present he also tells us Gods day is a 1000 years long why is the lords day a millennial a 1000 years  why not 24 hours may be God dose not work as fast as you would like.

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God himself declared that the work of creation was finished.     

He sure did but which world creation was he speaking about the first or the second of course in Gods eyes they are both finished are they not.
 
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  Jesus's return will herald the re creation of a new heaven and aNew earth. which will also cease the creations groaning because of the affect of sin on it   

I thought It was God who would create the new heaven and earth when Christ hands everything back to him after the millennium

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #124 on: November 13, 2019, 03:14:22 PM »
In creation being created in 6 days. It's possible, if you remember Jesus can do things that are not explained by the laws of science.

Such as turning water into wine, healing the sick, raising the dead. They were instant.


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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #125 on: November 13, 2019, 03:21:39 PM »
Everything we see each day is a wonder . Each flower, sunset, animal, person has the miracle of life behind it from God. Explained by science but still science does not explain the miracle and wonder.

Just these miracles are what people get used to and take for granted.

Well Jesus did different types of miracles that everyday science cannot explain but they could be a different science at work, when you call science the mechanism and powers of God. They pinpoint a Creator because they couldn't possibly form from nothing and from accident.

In relation to the timing.
I was thinking of God being outside of time and can't comprehend that.
Einstein could explain science in a new and different way with regards to time.
Newton said time moves forward but Einstein said time was relative.

That gravity on the earth makes time go slower but in space time accelerates because there is less gravity.
If someone travelled into space for twenty years and returned, they wouldn't age twenty years but a portion of this because they were on a different time warp but after a few days on earth their age could possibly catch up with them.
The earth could have experienced something like that but not saying that is so. It's just a silly idea.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #126 on: November 13, 2019, 04:19:11 PM »
In creation being created in 6 days. It's possible, if you remember Jesus can do things that are not explained by the laws of science.

Such as turning water into wine, healing the sick, raising the dead. They were instant.



Hi Christianna
Thank you for two very interesting posts bringing the miraculous into the discussion of course God through Christ can do all those things but could he make man in his image in an instant we need to remember to be like God we must have a knowledge of good and evil and based on that knowledge we have to make a choice the choice being.

Mat 22:37  And he said to him, ?You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
Mat 22:38  This is the great and first commandment.
Mat 22:39  And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.     
 

God cannot make this choice for us we must make ourselves we must choose to Love from the heart if God chose it would not be Love
we would just be robots.

the burning question is would there be time with in a 24 hour day for Adam and Eve to acquire a knowledge of good and evil to be like God so God could say everything was very good and remember Eden with the tree of life and the tree of knowledge was still future.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #127 on: November 14, 2019, 04:07:26 PM »
Dave,
2Peter:3-8 is speaking of the world God created in genesis 1 which was destroyed by the flood.
The world that existed prior to the flood was very different to the world we live in today.
It had one continent, today there are seven.
The whole world was full of abundant live, today parts of this world are full of abundant life, many parts are not and due to how the climate works cannot be.

There has only been one period of creat found in genesis one and it is crystal clear that God rested after that period. How is it possible that you were not aware of that simple fact.

As for will Jesus or God recreate the heavens and the earth. As Jesus is God and we are told that it was Jesus that made everything the quest become irrelevent.

 

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