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Offline davetaff

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #104 on: October 28, 2019, 01:29:27 PM »
Hi
Some interesting posts for myself I believe that God created everything as stated in Genesis in a unspecified time period this creation got contaminated by angels that cohabited with human women so God destroyed that creation with the flood.
After the flood God began a creation of the only thing that was missing on the ark mankind in the image of God.

This creation would take 6 days 1000 years long it is based on the creation account we have in Genesis this is the only creation that concerns us there is a clue in the NT which may help us.

.    Mar 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking       

This was said by the man born blind the question is did Jesus make a mistake that's unthinkable so is this meant to tell us something else a reference to this creation the third day.
The next day day 4 God created the sun the moon and the stars the sun here represents Christ the light of the world the moon represents the church the bride of Christ the reflected light of Christ the stars represents the children of Christ and his bride if it is not so then the creation of the sun moon and stars on the forth day makes no sense.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #105 on: October 28, 2019, 02:19:03 PM »
Hi Davetaff

The man was born blind and wasn't that down to fallen creation.?

I know that those who support evolution but not creation say that it doesn't show intelligent design, but I still see that there.

The order in creation and design shows God's power and creativity. I just feel the flaws and pitfalls are down to creation being fallen .
 That one day God will perfect, destroying death and illness.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #106 on: October 28, 2019, 02:41:38 PM »
Hi Davetaff

The man was born blind and wasn't that down to fallen creation.?

I know that those who support evolution but not creation say that it doesn't show intelligent design, but I still see that there.

The order in creation and design shows God's power and creativity. I just feel the flaws and pitfalls are down to creation being fallen .
 That one day God will perfect, destroying death and illness.


Hi Christianna
Thank you for your reply my point of view is God can not possibly fail its unthinkable for me and the crowning glory of Gods creation is man ( mankind ) in his image and this has never bean achieved as yet but will be achieved in Christ.

Heb 1:2  but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
Heb 1:3  He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,     


This is said of no other person in scripture Christ is the end of Creation to say some cave man created thousands of years ago is the image of God is ludicrous as I have said before Genesis is the history of mankind from in the beginning to the end of Revelations and beyond if its not then it means God had failed many times and that's not possible.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #107 on: October 29, 2019, 11:36:15 AM »
Hi Christianna
Thank you for your reply my point of view is God can not possibly fail its unthinkable for me and the crowning glory of Gods creation is man ( mankind ) in his image and this has never bean achieved as yet but will be achieved in Christ.

Heb 1:2  but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
Heb 1:3  He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,     


This is said of no other person in scripture Christ is the end of Creation to say some cave man created thousands of years ago is the image of God is ludicrous as I have said before Genesis is the history of mankind from in the beginning to the end of Revelations and beyond if its not then it means God had failed many times and that's not possible.

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Hi Davetaff,

I agree that God cannot fail but He has given us all freewill.
This is because we are not programmed but have a mind of our own.
Sadly humankind brought in the fallen world, it seems, through their own behaviour.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #108 on: October 29, 2019, 01:28:14 PM »
Hi Christianna
Thank you for your reply to which I agree freewill is essential with out it we would not be able to Love it must be a freewill gift from the heart I think St Paul makes this plain in 1Co 13:1- 13.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #109 on: November 02, 2019, 09:06:51 PM »
In exploring the view points of evolution, there is consideration of whether evolution is:

i the changes taking place in people/creatures over a prolonged time, for example as people become more bigger and heavier, with more food available
They also have less body hair, due to environmental and living changes.
ii people evolved from one animal species to another.

Is there a link showing the transitions in genetics and fossils?

I personally don't think so.
In the first case there is explanations for genesis being non literal and fitting how science works, still showing God's miraculous power, in a prolonged time.

There again genesis could be accepted as literal, in remembering how Jesus performed many miracles, that did not work through the natural laws of science.
Jesus turned water into wine, fed 5000 people with a little boys lunch, healed illness and raised the dead.
In considering the future resurrection we need to consider that God will work beyond what can be explained by the laws of science.

It's just how everything is expected in creation is still a miracle, taken for granted and coming to reason that God can work beyond what people expect.

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #110 on: November 03, 2019, 02:50:01 PM »
Hi Christianna
thank you for your reply of course evolution is a vast subject far beyond my tiny brain I have started reading the book Deborah recommended  " Denis Alexander's book "Creation or evolution " not to easy to understand with my limited education but what I have learned so far is all life forms are very complex  and it seams to me far to complex to have created them selves by chance over billions of years there's not enough time.
I believe God began the process of creation ( I don't like to use the word evolution it tends to exclude God ) and has watched over it ever since the changes that has happened in different species have bean programmed by God.
the creation of mankind became contaminated by angles so God destroyed that creation and began again with Noah.
The biggest problem we have with the creation account in genesis  is the word Day was it 24 hours long I don't think so I believe it was 1000 years long as stated by St Peter he also said we should not forget it which to me means it is important so the 6 days of this creation started with Noah and will take 6000 years plus the millennium.
What happened before the flood dose not matter if it took billions of years that's  fine its the creation that we are part of that counts.

Joh 5:17  But Jesus answered them, ?My Father is working until now, and I am working.?         

If the Father and son have been working from the beginning of creation up to the time of Christ and up to the present day then It means the Father has not had his Sabbath rest it is still future.

Heb 4:9  So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,      

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Re: Do you believe in Evolution?
« Reply #111 on: November 03, 2019, 04:32:35 PM »

Hi Davetaff
While we are on the subject there is some surprising news, about Richard Dawkins.

I realise that evolution is not excluded outside atheism but nevertheless is often supported by atheism, where objective morality is not promoted, and power and design from our Creator is ignored. Could be because the conscience is buried although we have a Saviour in Jesus, should we admit our faults and ask Him to redeem us.

Now Richard Dawkins Is thinking of God in terms of morality.
Hope that is good news and the answer to prayers for a modern day Paul, on the road to Damascus.

I would be very concerned if Dawkins was thinking religiously rather than divinely because that would be antichrist. Hope he is tuning into God, divinely.
This is what He said:
It's quite astonishing.

Dawkins told The Times and the Sunday Times he fears if religion were abolished it would give people a license to do really bad things.

People may feel free to do bad things because they feel God is no longer watching them, he said.

Just as security cameras deter shoplifting, he said, individuals might feel free to commit crimes without a divine spy camera in the sky reading their every thought.

 

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