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Re: Raise a debate
« Reply #209 on: August 01, 2017, 09:06:43 AM »
Maggy,
              I've often worked with atheist and agnosics and been put to shame by their kindness and generosity.
That said a statisical analysis of giving in america surprised the atheist researcher by his findings that the generallypoor paid religous gave more cash, time etc to all charities, than any other group.

 "Charity differences between religious and secular people persist if we look at the actual amounts of donations and volunteering. Indeed, measures of the dollars given and occasions volunteered per year produce a yawning gap between the groups. The average annual giving among the religious is $2,210, whereas it is $642 among the secular. Similarly, religious people volunteer an average of 12 times per year, while secular people volunteer an average of 5.8 times. To put this into perspective, religious people are 33 percent of the population but make 52 percent of donations and 45 percent of times volunteered. Secular people are 26 percent of the population but contribute 13 percent of the dollars and 17 percent of the times volunteered." from http://www.hoover.org/research/religious-faith-and-charitable-giving.

As for evoultion being scientific try asking those you know who support evolution. 'Where does the genetic information come from that enables a hairy animal be able to grow feathers?'
Feathers are totaly different from hair and no scientist knows how the information for this or any other change arose.

Giving and forgiveness are very important for our mental health, again ask an atheist why they do these and ask them to explain why from there world view.
http://www.hoover.org/research/religious-faith-and-charitable-giving

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« Reply #210 on: August 01, 2017, 09:57:09 AM »

As for evoultion being scientific try asking those you know who support evolution. 'Where does the genetic information come from that enables a hairy animal be able to grow feathers?'
Feathers are totaly different from hair and no scientist knows how the information for this or any other change arose.


The answer might be here:
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/06/human-hair-bird-feathers-came-reptile-scales

(btw, no scientist believes that hair evolved into feathers)
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/06/human-hair-bird-feathers-came-reptile-scales
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« Reply #211 on: August 01, 2017, 11:51:17 AM »
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Hi all,

I've been reading with interest, so thought i might add my tuppence worth lol.  I'm a non believer, and i am unbelievably selfish, not a conscious act, i just am, but i do suspect it's just a characteristic of being human.  Since joining you all on here, it seems to me, that our beliefs are pretty much secondary, and there's good and bad in all groups of people.  As for giving and forgiving, i'm not sure what i do, it depends on the circumstances, i can and have forgiven, but there's still a couple in the 'never to be forgiven' category, with me at the top lol, but it doesn't eat away at me, it's been dealt with, and i don't allow it to interfere with any part of my life.  Giving is no problem, i'm as generous with my money as i am with my time, however, there was a time when i did try to be so useless, that no one would even consider asking me for help.  Changed days indeed, i now seem to be the go to person for no frills, straight talking (i'm still trying to chase them away lol).  What is my right and wrong based on?  Hmmm probably lots of things, if i had to choose i'd say, Mum & Dad, basic human morality, probs even the bible, though only via societies own adoption of bits and pieces.  Age has a lot to do with it too, my right and wrong has grown up, and was so different when i was younger.

If you're a believer then you have a lot to look forward to, with no time limits, i have a time limit, so i think the selfishness could be a consequence of this.  It doesn't mean that i'd trample over anyone or anything just to achieve my goals, absolutely not, nor think only of myself, nor be unapproachable to my family or friends, but it does make me a bit blinkered, i think.  I often offer to do something for someone then think why did i do that lol?

Anyway just thought i'd butt in with some ramblings and no actual point 😂

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Re: Raise a debate
« Reply #212 on: August 01, 2017, 12:11:26 PM »
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Hi all,

I've been reading with interest, so thought i might add my tuppence worth lol.  I'm a non believer, and i am unbelievably selfish, not a conscious act, i just am, but i do suspect it's just a characteristic of being human.  Since joining you all on here, it seems to me, that our beliefs are pretty much secondary, and there's good and bad in all groups of people.  As for giving and forgiving, i'm not sure what i do, it depends on the circumstances, i can and have forgiven, but there's still a couple in the 'never to be forgiven' category, with me at the top lol, but it doesn't eat away at me, it's been dealt with, and i don't allow it to interfere with any part of my life.  Giving is no problem, i'm as generous with my money as i am with my time, however, there was a time when i did try to be so useless, that no one would even consider asking me for help.  Changed days indeed, i now seem to be the go to person for no frills, straight talking (i'm still trying to chase them away lol).  What is my right and wrong based on?  Hmmm probably lots of things, if i had to choose i'd say, Mum & Dad, basic human morality, probs even the bible, though only via societies own adoption of bits and pieces.  Age has a lot to do with it too, my right and wrong has grown up, and was so different when i was younger.

If you're a believer then you have a lot to look forward to, with no time limits, i have a time limit, so i think the selfishness could be a consequence of this.  It doesn't mean that i'd trample over anyone or anything just to achieve my goals, absolutely not, nor think only of myself, nor be unapproachable to my family or friends, but it does make me a bit blinkered, i think.  I often offer to do something for someone then think why did i do that lol?

Anyway just thought i'd butt in with some ramblings and no actual point 😂

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Re: Raise a debate
« Reply #213 on: August 01, 2017, 12:22:41 PM »
Thank you deborah for reminding me of that.
Whether it is hair or scales into feathers the question still has to be answered. Where did the information come from that enabled the rachis to grow and for the barbs and barbules to form so the structure of the feather can form.
How did the β-keratin was composed of a framework of fine microfibrils form?

The formation of feather is highly complex requiring lots of additional information that was not present in that first creature that was going to become a bird ( if it evolved ! ) To say that mutations caused this information is showing faith that te monkeys in the american zoo that produced 50 odd pages of random letters will eventualy write a sentance.
see https://evolutionnews.org/2017/03/feather-design-is-better-than-thought/
for a detailed look at feather formation.
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/03/feather-design-is-better-than-thought/

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« Reply #214 on: August 01, 2017, 02:34:08 PM »
Thank you deborah for reminding me of that.
Whether it is hair or scales into feathers the question still has to be answered. Where did the information come from that enabled the rachis to grow and for the barbs and barbules to form so the structure of the feather can form.
How did the β-keratin was composed of a framework of fine microfibrils form?

The formation of feather is highly complex requiring lots of additional information that was not present in that first creature that was going to become a bird ( if it evolved ! ) To say that mutations caused this information is showing faith that te monkeys in the american zoo that produced 50 odd pages of random letters will eventualy write a sentance.
see https://evolutionnews.org/2017/03/feather-design-is-better-than-thought/
for a detailed look at feather formation.

We easily forget that it isn't just a matter of mutations. DNA can also get rearranged, or added to (by incorporation of viruses). And even a single mutation can sometimes have massive knock-on effects (for example, a mutation in a 'full-stop' message can result in two genes getting stuck together to make a completely new protein). So the question isn't unanswerable, and the 'monkeys on typewriters' analogy is getting to look rather weak.
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/03/feather-design-is-better-than-thought/
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