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TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #88 on: June 14, 2016, 02:02:51 AM »
I  have given you the examples of "new creations" in all there various forms..

I have given an example of how a person can turn [the second creation]  into a theology of [you must be batised to be saved]

And you must not forget that - the final decision is the Lords [regardless of or taking into account human behaviour and theology/belief.

God looks at the heart [or does He ?] judge by heart responses ? oooo that is a dangerous one - for if He does then not 0ne of us would be "chosen"

We will all die and be "born again" one day - but that final decision is with God and not with us

re : Ecclesiastes 9:1;  So I reflected on all this and concluded that the righteous and the wise and what they do are in God's hands, but no one knows whether love or hate awaits them




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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #89 on: June 14, 2016, 02:12:14 AM »


Whatever awaits us - God is in control,

One thing is for certain - whether being born between Adam and Noah or Noah to Christ or Christ to revelations...

[Which enfolds all all human birth] in History ...]


God still chose people from all these tmes in the past [since the creation/foundation/  of the world]

And once the world that we know is ended - life will continiue after death - the question is - where ?



People who have followed Him - gain confidence and reassurance in the fact that Adam and Eve , Abel, Enoch, Elilah, Abraham, Sarah, Paul, and all through History were "new creations"

Not divided by anything. But how do we know they were ""born again ?"

By christs's actons - or by Their actions > ? lets ask the thief on the Cross ....

Born between Christ and revelation






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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #90 on: June 14, 2016, 07:52:59 AM »
Let me make myself clearer..............



Exploring avenues of "new creation"



EG : 2 Corinthians 11:14 KJB And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

In other words an outward demonstration is not always from an inward change.

When a person is "born again" the inner changes may take time to surface and not always seem evidnet to some.

But it's all about HiStory and not about history



Hope that makes sense [I can go deeper if you want me too]

Thanks for explanation. You can go deeper if you want, I find it interesting.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #91 on: June 14, 2016, 02:56:45 PM »


Whatever awaits us - God is in control,

One thing is for certain - whether being born between Adam and Noah or Noah to Christ or Christ to revelations...

[Which enfolds all all human birth] in History ...]


God still chose people from all these tmes in the past [since the creation/foundation/  of the world]

And once the world that we know is ended - life will continiue after death - the question is - where ?



And once the world that we know is ended - life will continiue after death - the question is - where ?



People who have followed Him - gain confidence and reassurance in the fact that Adam and Eve , Abel, Enoch, Elilah, Abraham, Sarah, Paul, and all through History were "new creations"

Not divided by anything.
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But how do we know they were ""born again ?"

By christs's actons - or by Their actions > ? lets ask the thief on the Cross ....
Born between Christ and revelation

Hi TJ
Lots of questions as usual where dose one start maybe with this.

 Isa 46:10  Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

The end from the beginning I see this as the whole of human history in the story of creation so the story of creation is God plan for mankind

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 And once the world that we know is ended - life will continiue after death - the question is - where ?
 


My answer would be based the creation story would be in paradise this transformed earth when God is in us and we in him then will this scripture come true

 Rev 21:4  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 
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But how do we know they were ""born again ?"

By christs's actons - or by Their actions > ? lets ask the thief on the Cross ....
 

I see it as all those that were before Christ came down to earth were saved because  they were chosen by Christ to perform certain tasks and because of that they will be saved being born again only became an option after our Lord ascended into heaven only then could we be part of his Body.
Our Lord said to the thief.

 Luk 23:43  And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

I believe this refers to the eighth day which is today it's one long day of eternity although paradise exists in Gods plan and is real in our time it dose not exists its a bit like when it say Today when you hear my voice that day could be any day.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #92 on: June 15, 2016, 12:36:40 AM »
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I believe this refers to the eighth day which is today

I remember this being posted by someone called @Edwin a few years ago =  # http://www.1faith.co.uk/raise-a-debate/the-biblical-significance-of-the-number-eight/msg42504/#msg42504

I know he posted those exact words somewhere

 :D
http://www.1faith.co.uk/raise-a-debate/the-biblical-significance-of-the-number-eight/msg42504/#msg42504

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #93 on: June 15, 2016, 12:55:59 AM »
Actually - was'nt  the thief on the Cross - between Noah and Christ ?  As Jesus had not yet been  resurrected ! [sounds like the three Crosses does'nt it ?]





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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #94 on: June 15, 2016, 02:24:15 PM »
Actually - was'nt  the thief on the Cross - between Noah and Christ ?  As Jesus had not yet been  resurrected ! [sounds like the three Crosses does'nt it ?]

Hi TJ
Interesting thought were all three crosses representative of something jest musing here a little, did the thief represent the second creation Israel it says somewhere and all Israel will be saved.
The other cross would represent the first creation Paul tells us where there is no law there is no transgression he also says.

  Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

were all those from Adam to Noah Gentiles as far as I know there was no Law given during that time but they will be judged according to the law.
Like I said jest musing a little.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #95 on: June 15, 2016, 07:31:52 PM »
Hi I'm new here so apologies if I'm gatecrashing a conversation that's already covered this! The way I've always tried to make sense of how people could be saved before Jesus came is this:

We are all saved by faith in God's Word - but the amount of God's Word that people have had available to them has differed over time and differs even now according to our life circumstances.  People who lived in the time before Jesus didn't have the full revelation of God's Word through Jesus Christ like we have, but they were still expected to be faithful to whatever bit they did have.  It's like for people who have never heard of Jesus today - as it says in the passage Dave quoted they have bits of God's Word written in their hearts and so can be saved by having faith in that.  Elsewhere (Romans 1:20) the scripture says that everyone can see God's nature through his creation - so if that's the only bit of God's Word a person has available they can still be saved by responding with faith in God's Word as revealed in creation.

In other words, we all need to be faithful to whatever bit of God's word we have access to ("according to the light we have received" it says somewhere, but I can't find it right now!) - and that will differ from person to person and at different ages as God progressively reveals more and more of himself.  I've found in my own life that when we do respond with faith towards that little bit that we have received (whether it's simply recognising God through the beauty of creation or at the other extreme reading the entire Bible from cover to cover ...)then he shows us a bit more and then a bit more ... it's a journey that will only end when we see him face to face and then we will know him fully.  Can't wait for that day!!
Blessings
Kim