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TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #72 on: June 08, 2016, 12:26:35 AM »
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Gal 3:13  Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

1 Peter 1:20; - Ephesians 1:4;
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But foremost Hebrews 9:26; Otherwise, He would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.


That is before day 1 and before creation.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #73 on: June 08, 2016, 02:37:51 PM »
Hi TJ
Of course Christ has always been the light of the world through him all things were created but through all this he remained a spiritual being But then as Peter tells us.

1Pe 1:20  Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Its only in the last days of this creation that he was made manifest when he came in human form.

 Mat 4:16  The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.

This great light of course is Christ who is compared to the sun we have on greater light than the sun

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #74 on: June 08, 2016, 02:45:04 PM »
Aye Old testament of God - re :New testament of God

Isaiah 60:19 The sun will no more be your light by day, nor will the brightness of the moon shine on you, for the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your God will be your glory.

Revelation 22:5  There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.


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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #75 on: June 11, 2016, 02:59:26 PM »
Hi Tj
ks for your post Good scriptures always good to read the next question is what dose St Paul mean with the following.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!
Galatians 6:11 [ Not Circumcision but the New Creation ] See what large letters I use as I write to you with my own hand!

what is meant by a new creation I believe a new creation started with Noah and with Christ after the flood nothing was left except Noah and all that was in the ark so it seams logical to me that God started again with the creation of man in Gods image Israel the tree of Knowledge then when Israel rejected Christ a new creation began this is the the new creation Paul speaks of.

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« Reply #76 on: June 13, 2016, 01:32:56 AM »
If we reverse this - then lucifer and his followers were the first [re creations] before the earth was formed.

Formerly  being the first creations of God's Kingdom [before the earth] as angels were a "new creation"

Lucifer  was thrown down onto God's [next] new creation [the earth] and  Adam was a new creation  [Eve being formed from
Adam] all other life now replicates/duplicates/  the original. As new creatures are born from another Psalm 104:30: When you send
your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.


Here new animals [creatures] are born as new creations being born as already born before - being re created [duplicated]
as we are born of Adam [being unique] creations [new]

So neither Cain nor Abel were new creations - but re creations of the original...

They in their form can be said to be "new creations" because each one [whether of God or not] are in fact individuals
in their own right,[ being unique]  but with reference to Cain and Abel "Cain fell to earth by killing Abel"  now the blood is shed again
as a metaphor picture of "the person who laboured to please the Lord [Israel for example] and the person who presented
the shed blood....[before Noah] in the representation being "Abel" [who pleased God]

So Abel's offering was accepted by God [the shed blood] and cains was rejected [works of the flesh "building" ones own future]

Going back even further we see that the "new creations" [from which all others were replicated] also had the washing of
the blood Genesis 3:21; The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.


Now we are new creations [like lucifer] because we choose to be..............[even though He chose us beforehand]

As we look at Ephesians 4:24  we see this  - re:  and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true
 righteousness and holiness. and looking back a few verses : 22You were taught, with regard to your former way of life,
 to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23to be made new in the attitude of your
 minds;


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Hi Tj
ks for your post Good scriptures always good to read the next question is what dose St Paul mean with the following.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!
Galatians 6:11 [ Not Circumcision but the New Creation ] See what large letters I use as I write to you with my own hand!

what is meant by a new creation I believe a new creation started with Noah and with Christ after the flood nothing was left except Noah and all that was in the ark so it seams logical to me that God started again with the creation of man in Gods image Israel the tree of Knowledge then when Israel rejected Christ a new creation began this is the the new creation Paul speaks of.

Love and Peace
Dave


The problem is with this @davetaff and Guest - is that "some would say" you must be baptised to be saved"

Or "you must work for your salvation . rather than "work out your own salvation"....

Here Noah worked hard to save himself and his family from the flood and although he heard God and spoke to God on a daily
basis "it can still be said that "he worked to earn his place in God's Kingdom"

Even though those who lived befoere Noah did nothing except repent [in the heart] and act in an outward demonstration
of that repentance.

And so going back to the "Old Testament and New testament" we look at


OT = Isaiah 43:18-19  ?Do not call to mind the former things, Or ponder things of the past. 19 ?Behold, I will do
 something new,

         
NT = 2 Corinthians 5:17  Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is
here!



So we are new creatures [creations] ,of an old creation work.........[from the old earth] yet being born of heaven

Yet one day all things will be born again [re created] and we will be {In the earth and of the new earth]

Isaiah 65:17 "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind.






 

TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2016, 01:42:38 AM »
In simple terms "be careful of this theology" as people will use it to say "you must be baptised to be saved"

As Noah was and this is a misleading path to follow

Remember Noah was only left with the old earth and not a new earth or renewed earth.

It is again a metaphor only for baptism and is not a metaphor for "a person being a new creation" as Noah already was "a new creation" in this real story in hiStory.


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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2016, 07:59:18 AM »
Adam was a new creation once Jesus placed the bloody skin around his shoulders.
ie. The first Adam's life was now in the second Adam, Christ Jesus.
As was Abel's. etc.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2016, 11:39:36 AM »
Even though those who lived befoere Noah did nothing except repent [in the heart] and act in an outward demonstration
of that repentance.

Have you put emphasis on that word for a reason? I noticed it on the word 'hiStory' too.