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Offline John

Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2016, 06:15:27 PM »
We know what went wrong with Adam. He disobeyd God and ate what he was told not to eat.
Israel may have been intended to be a fore runner of the Christian, but Israel, just like us, fell at almost every hurdle.
What does the NT have to say about Isreal etc.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2016, 05:48:54 PM »
We know what went wrong with Adam. He disobeyd God and ate what he was told not to eat.
Israel may have been intended to be a fore runner of the Christian, but Israel, just like us, fell at almost every hurdle.
What does the NT have to say about Isreal etc.

The question is John why did God Put the tree of knowledge in the garden I think he knew what would happen I think it was because Adam could make a choice to exercise his free will without which we can not choose to love God.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2016, 04:26:14 PM »
Hi
Jest had a thought we blame Adam and Eve for the fall but it seams it was necessary if we are to be like God.

 Gen 3:22  And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

so we have the knowledge of good and evil all we need to do now is choose the good.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #59 on: May 24, 2016, 06:48:40 PM »
Hi
Jest had a thought we blame Adam and Eve for the fall but it seams it was necessary if we are to be like God.

 Gen 3:22  And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

so we have the knowledge of good and evil all we need to do now is choose the good.

Love and peace
Dave

Hhhmmm wasn't it wanting to be like God that caused all the mess in the first place? Satan wanted to be God? and didn't Satan also tell Eve that she would be like God if she ate the fruit?

Wanting to be something we are not - hmmmm kind of what advertising works on and to some extent (a big extent) a consumer society, where biggest commodity is consuming, rather than producing (just musing as ever).

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #60 on: May 25, 2016, 05:26:13 PM »
Hi Seeker
Thanks for your reply only musing myself jest thinking Gods crowning glory of creation in is man in Gods image what dose that mean?
I believe that will be accomplished in Christ at his second coming. When Christ and his church become one then we will see Man (mankind) in the image of God.
So dose that mean the verse I quoted before mean we must have a knowledge of good and evil so that we can choose ourselves of our own free will the good which is God who is love.
 
As for the devil he wanted to be God not jest like him.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2016, 02:28:51 PM »
Dave,
 "why did God Put the tree of knowledge in the garden -" and you answer it, if there is no possiblity of rejecting what is good there is no choice.

We are made in God's moral and intellectual image and if we are Christian then we are bringing honour and glory to God. Can we chose between good and evil, Paul answered that in Romans, 'the good I want to do I don't do, while the evil I don't want to do I do!'

Which brings us back to God in 1john 1v 9, God is faithfull and jst and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrightousness.
Dosn't mean we don't have to strive, but we have a safty net.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #62 on: May 27, 2016, 05:26:29 PM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply "why did God Put the tree of knowledge in the garden" I suppose man has been trying to answer that question the year dot he could have left it out and we would all live in a perfect world so there must be a good reason why he put it there.
1 to test man's obedience which man failed and I think God would have known this.
2 that through that knowledge we become like him knowing good and evil
3 the most important reason of all LOVE we must choose to love God and our fellow man God can't force us to love if he did it would not be love.
Love is a free gift from the heart a freewill choice on our part and that Love needs to be tested maybe that's why there is  evil in the world so through it all we will continue to Love God and our fellow man not very easy that's why we have the safety net when we fail the test and we all do we can turn to God in repentance and be forgiven.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #63 on: June 04, 2016, 04:02:52 PM »
Hi
The other question is what was the tree of life and what was the tree of knowledge maybe it should be who not what if the tree of life was Christ It seams to me the tree of knowledge would be satan had he already fallen being a spiritual being   he would have knowledge of good and evil which he used to tempt eve.

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