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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #400 on: January 16, 2018, 11:40:08 AM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your post but I never said that Israel was not the olive tree that is quite plain from the scriptures.

The only bone of contention has been a was the tree cut down and we both agree that only some of the branches were broken of the other thing was the gentile believers grafted in after acts 28 you are sure they were not, for me it is still an open question I find no scripture that states they were not grafted in it only says the apostles went to the gentiles.

The purpose of me last post was not to do with whether Israel was the olive tree of course it is but was to expand our search of the scriptures concerning the olive tree or I should say trees as my previous post says there were two olive trees.

The scriptures has quite a lot to say about the olive tree about it's wood and oil I jest thought it would be an interesting line of inquiry what do you think.

Sorry for not making myself plain.

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Dave

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #401 on: January 16, 2018, 02:25:47 PM »
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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #402 on: January 16, 2018, 11:05:45 PM »
"Let your loins be girded about,
and your lights burning;
and ye yourselves
like unto men that wait for their Lord, ... '

(Luke 12:35-36a)

May God be glorified!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #403 on: January 17, 2018, 05:34:24 PM »
"Let your loins be girded about,
and your lights burning;
and ye yourselves
like unto men that wait for their Lord, ... '

(Luke 12:35-36a)

May God be glorified!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi Chris
Thank you for that reply I have my loins girded and my light is on and waiting for the glorious day when our Lord returns. :thumbs_up:

I think this subject of the olive tree has much to teach us and as the heading of the thread is Genesis and the OT i thought may be genesis is a good place to start.

Gen 2:9  And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
   


Of course it dose not say they are olive trees as such just two trees the tree of life and the tree of knowledge  the tree of knowledge is the knowledge of good and evil and its the law given by Moses which gives us this knowledge and the law was given to Israel it was they that had the knowledge of good and evil.

Gen 3:22  And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
   

Gods plan was to create man in his image and for that to happen they needed the knowledge of good and evil so is the man mentioned in the above verse Israel I believe so they received the law so Israel is the Olive tree that stands before the Lord but there are two olive trees that stand before the lord.

Zec 4:11  Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
Zec 4:12  And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
Zec 4:13  And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:14  Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.     
   


So I believe the other olive tree represents our Lord the tree of life.

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Dave


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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #404 on: January 17, 2018, 08:21:49 PM »
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I think this subject of the olive tree has much to teach us and as the heading of the thread is Genesis and the OT i thought may be genesis is a good place to start.

Gen 2:9  And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
   

Of course it dose not say they are olive trees as such just two trees the tree of life and the tree of knowledge  the tree of knowledge is the knowledge of good and evil and its the law given by Moses which gives us this knowledge and the law was given to Israel it was they that had the knowledge of good and evil.

Gen 3:22  And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
   
Gods plan was to create man in his image and for that to happen they needed the knowledge of good and evil so is the man mentioned in the above verse Israel I believe so they received the law so Israel is the Olive tree that stands before the Lord but there are two olive trees that stand before the lord.

Zec 4:11  Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
Zec 4:12  And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
Zec 4:13  And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:14  Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.     
   
So I believe the other olive tree represents our Lord the tree of life.

With respect, Dave,

* God has told us the names of two of the many trees planted in the garden of Eden, 'The Tree of Life,' and 'The Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil' (Genesis 2:9). The part they played in the fall of man, and it's outcome is recorded in Genesis 3, along with the measures God took, following the fall, to ensure that the tree of life would no longer be accessible to fallen man (Gen 3:22-24); and the prophetic record of Rev. 2:7 & Rev.22:2,14, tells us clearly the place that the tree of life will have at the end of the age. 

* This is all that God has told us, and that is enough for me.

The Olive Tree
- The olive tree, is spoken of figuratively in Judges 9:8-9.
- The olive tree was used in the building of the temple in 1 Kings 6: 23, 31, 32 & 33.
- David refers to himself as 'a green olive tree' in Psalm 52:8
- Israel is spoken of as 'a green olive tree' in Jeremiah 11:16.
- Hosea 14:6 likens Israel's beauty to an olive tree.
- Israel is also spoken of as an olive tree in Romans 11:17, 24.
- In Zechariah 4:1-3, Zechariah is given a vision of a golden lampstand, which has two olive trees, one on each side of it; and in Zechariah 4:11-14, explanation is given as to what the two olive trees stand for.
- In Revelation 11:3-4, the two olive trees are referred to once more, and explanation again is given.

* This is how God used the Olive tree, both figuratively and literally, and full explanation is given in each case, so nothing is required of us but to believe what God has said

Praise God!

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris




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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #405 on: January 18, 2018, 02:14:54 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply and I think maybe we should end this discussion of the olive trees and move on there plenty of other avenues of interest to follow the heading of the thread is Genesis and the OT and finding Christ in the OT have you any thoughts on this or anyone else for that matter.

Love and Peace
Dave