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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #368 on: December 21, 2017, 02:22:57 PM »
God means what He says and He has a meaning for every word that He says.  All His works and all His words are perfect, in their choice, order and place.  So perfect, that, if one word or expression is used, there is a reason why no other would have done.

Lets lay aside our own understanding, be silent and worship Him.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply to which I can agree and this wonderful word we have speaks to us today and every day do we share the word or remain silent.

Is reading and contemplating and sharing his word a form of worship helping to spread his love to others when we have opportunity.

Love and Peace
Dave 

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #369 on: December 23, 2017, 02:07:08 AM »
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Hi TJ
when God said And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness      he was speaking of the last thing to be created which was the man Jesus Christ at his second coming if it is not so it means God has failed a few times along the way.

So what dose the scripture say.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
   


We need to remember God is not renstricted by time when God says something it's a done deal on our time scale it may take a few days or thousands of years.

What dose the fraise ( and replenish the earth,    ) mean to me it can only mean there was a population on earth that cessed to be which can only mean the time after the flood.

So God begins again from scratch with a new creation the purpose of which has not changed to create Man ( mankind ) in his image it will take 7 days 7000 years.

2Pe 3:8  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
   


so what will the man in Gods image look like the only thing we have to go on Is Christ at his second coming when he comes for his bride the church and they become one this is Man ( mankind ) in Gods image how will it look.

We will have Christ the Head the ruler of the body the church the woman this is the image of God the father who is the head of all things and the heavenly host is the body.

when God said And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness      he was speaking of the last thing to be created which was the man Jesus Christ at his second coming if it is not so it means God has failed a few times along the way.

so if I'm right we are at the end of the 6th day of this creation and we are knocking on the door of Christs millennial reign

Love and Peace
Dave[/plainbox]


 


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when God said And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness      he was speaking of the last thing to be created which was the man Jesus Christ at his second coming if it is not so it means God has failed a few times along the way.




Nay I disagree - God never fails - God does not fail - if He does then it means He is open to attack  - which He is not

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when God said And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness      he was speaking of the last thing to be created which was the man Jesus Christ at his second coming if it is not so it means God has failed a few times along the way.



Nay I disagree / why can't God be the alpha amd omega > ?

The last thing to be created ? Jesus always was and always wil be...  the last thing to be created has no ending - as on the new earth things will continue to be n the future created as they are now [God is a creator and can not be anythng else throughout eternity] whether in our lives now or in our lives in the future state.

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he was speaking of the last thing to be created which was the man Jesus Christ at his second comin

The last thing ever created does not exist...


God created  before time ever existed and will contine to create after our time has ended/ indeed after all time the mankind knows has ended .


Replenish is something that God has always done from the begiinng unti now and onto the future =  Joel 2:25 "I will repay you for the years the locusts have eaten-- the great locust and the young locust, the other locusts and the locust swarm -- my great army that I sent among you.


This verse is often used as a "Now word" and the new person see's or begins to see God working in their lives - to restore their life...


God can walk into  life and replenish it today.

God can walk into a life and replenish it in the past, If He choses too.

God can walk into a persons who's life is no longer and replenish it.

This is God's action and His  - so even after death God can change His mind [as He has free Will to do so - but He will only act within His Character] "thereee is no shadow of changing with Theeee...


Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

Note "Which I sent among you" so here God has brought  a person to repentance

Often times it is God's way to bring a person to a point where "he or she" has no option but to bend to His Will.

This is not just future - but present and past -  God can come from all places at once and the enemy can copy this as well.


It is not about "One day when Chirst returns and then we will be made perfect"  we are perfect now and were.



The second coming has no relevance to me now or my past... Jesus has already come agaian and again and again.



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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #370 on: December 23, 2017, 12:29:28 PM »
Hi Tj
Thanks for your reply you said

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Nay I disagree - God never fails - God does not fail - if He does then it means He is open to attack  - which He is not   

Of course you are right I never meant to say God had failed that's unthinkable.
What I am saying is we have from the creation of the first Adam to the flood in which man became so evil that God destroyed everyone except Noah and his family.
Then God begins again to create man in his image and we get Israel which also fails.
The God sends his only begotten son Jesus Christ to save mankind when Israel killed him Israel died .
Jesus becomes the new creation spoken of by Paul.

When God began the creation process he knew all this would happen and allowed it to happen for a reason to teach us something.

In God we have the father Son and Holy Spirit.
In mankind we have the three stages of creation of man in Gods image the one mirrors the other.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #371 on: December 23, 2017, 11:43:17 PM »
haha - I'm not getting into a "three creations" discussion

It is a shame that 80 per cent of this topic has been diverted and off topic and drawn to the "three creations theory" it put's people off the discussion and topic.

I see now why others are so fixed on  focussing  with the  topic discussion and context

While moderating the forum I speed read and often miss things [as I am looking for bad behaviour and reactions.]

Anyway - it makes no difference to your salvation or your eternal life - however while interacting in this post  - I will not discuss the "three creations" - but I am ready to discuss "the old and the new testaments and their relevance/ties/bonding/linkage"

I hand the topic back to yourself :D


BTW happy Christmas...







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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #372 on: December 24, 2017, 02:38:14 PM »
haha - I'm not getting into a "three creations" discussion

It is a shame that 80 per cent of this topic has been diverted and off topic and drawn to the "three creations theory" it put's people off the discussion and topic.

I see now why others are so fixed on  focussing  with the  topic discussion and context

While moderating the forum I speed read and often miss things [as I am looking for bad behaviour and reactions.]

Anyway - it makes no difference to your salvation or your eternal life - however while interacting in this post  - I will not discuss the "three creations" - but I am ready to discuss "the old and the new testaments and their relevance/ties/bonding/linkage"

I hand the topic back to yourself :D


BTW happy Christmas...

Hi TJ
Thanks for your reply as for the three creations it should be one creation in three parts.

Ok your right I have wondered of track a bit its easy to do lets see if we can get back on track which was finding Jesus in the OT not an easy task where dose one start according to tradition it's most proberbly when God cursed the woman.

Gen 3:15  And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
   


but is there much more in the OT that testifies about Jesus our Lord himself said.

Joh 5:46  For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
 Joh 5:39  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
   


Our Lords command here is search the scriptures in doing so we will find him is it only the odd verse here and there or is there a lot more we can find relating to him that we can find with his help.

one of the two seeds mentioned above is Christ the other the seed of satan the antichrist are there other references to Christ in Genesis how about the creation of the first Adam are there any likenesses between him and our Lord Jesus who is the last Adam do you thing God always creates in the same way.

Love and Peace
and Merry Christmas
Dave 

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #373 on: December 24, 2017, 09:43:00 PM »
Hi TJ
Thanks for your reply as for the three creations it should be one creation in three parts.

Ok your right I have wondered of track a bit its easy to do lets see if we can get back on track which was finding Jesus in the OT not an easy task where dose one start according to tradition it's most proberbly when God cursed the woman.

Gen 3:15  And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
   


but is there much more in the OT that testifies about Jesus our Lord himself said.

Joh 5:46  For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
 Joh 5:39  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
   


Our Lords command here is search the scriptures in doing so we will find him is it only the odd verse here and there or is there a lot more we can find relating to him that we can find with his help.

one of the two seeds mentioned above is Christ the other the seed of satan the antichrist are there other references to Christ in Genesis how about the creation of the first Adam are there any likenesses between him and our Lord Jesus who is the last Adam do you thing God always creates in the same way.

Love and Peace
and Merry Christmas
Dave



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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #374 on: December 28, 2017, 06:53:26 PM »
Dave,
         "finding Jesus in the OT not an easy task where dose one start "
I would say that the first appearance of Jesus is in genesis where Adam heard the sound of God walking in the garden. We know that God is spirit, but Jesus has a body that he has used through the OT to appear to men in.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #375 on: December 29, 2017, 02:23:42 PM »
Dave,
         "finding Jesus in the OT not an easy task where dose one start "
I would say that the first appearance of Jesus is in genesis where Adam heard the sound of God walking in the garden. We know that God is spirit, but Jesus has a body that he has used through the OT to appear to men in.

Hi John
Thank you for your post I had not thought of that before interesting this is a physical appearance of our Lord.

Gen 3:8  And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
   


what dose the trees of the garden mean if we look in Ezekiel we find.

Eze 31:7  Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.
Eze 31:8  The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
Eze 31:9  I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
   


here we see God likening men and great nations to trees how dose this affect our understanding of Adam and Eve.
what dose ( in the cool of the day ) mean which day it most proberbly the 6th day when Adam and Eve were created.

If I may spiritualize a little now when we are approaching the end of the ages and the spiritual body of Christ is dispersed among the nations (trees ) of the world.
Can we say what is said about the first Adam can be applied to the last Adam.

Love and Peace
Dave