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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #360 on: December 17, 2017, 05:01:16 PM »
Hi TJ

Where in scripture dose it say satan or the angels were created in Gods image satan was created as an angel of light

Isa_14:12  How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
   

A bringer of light but that's not the same as being in the image of God but of Christ it says.

Heb 1:2  Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4  Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
   


this is only said of Christ no one else in scripture is said to be the express image of his person in what respect dose he resemble God was it at his first coming or his second.

Love and Peace
Dave


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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #361 on: December 18, 2017, 01:06:47 AM »
Hi TJ

Where in scripture dose it say satan or the angels were created in Gods image satan was created as an angel of light


Isa_14:12  How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
   

A bringer of light but that's not the same as being in the image of God but of Christ it says.

Heb 1:2  Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4  Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
   


this is only said of Christ no one else in scripture is said to be the express image of his person in what respect dose he resemble God was it at his first coming or his second.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Where in scripture dose it say satan or the angels were created in Gods image satan was created as an angel of light


It does'nt which was the point I was making as to what "image of God means"

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this is only said of Christ no one else in scripture is said to be the express image of his person


I'm referring to Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in which God speaks to the Son.

I'm trying to direct you to wehat "made in His image means"


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this is only said of Christ no one else in scripture is said to be the express image of his person


Yes correct as in Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.


This is the difference between us and Jesus...

 We look through a mirror dimly - but then we shall see Him face to Face - 1 Corinthians 13:12


The scriptures do not indicate that Heavenly Angels are not made in God's Image either and so you have to imagine how your life would change - once confronted by an Angel of God displaying His Image and presenting His message and giving His Glory to you.




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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #362 on: December 18, 2017, 02:52:55 PM »
Hi TJ
Thank you for your post what dose ( in the image of God mean ) I have tried to bring up this subject a few times in different threads but the consensus of opinion seams to be that God made a man and a woman at some time in the distant past and that's it.

To me this looks like he made a very poor job of it when we consider He is the creator of the universe and everything in it don't you think.

So what dose the scripture say.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
   


We need to remember God is not renstricted by time when God says something it's a done deal on our time scale it may take a few days or thousands of years.

What dose the fraise ( and replenish the earth,    ) mean to me it can only mean there was a population on earth that cessed to be which can only mean the time after the flood.

So God begins again from scratch with a new creation the purpose of which has not changed to create Man ( mankind ) in his image it will take 7 days 7000 years.

2Pe 3:8  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
   


so what will the man in Gods image look like the only thing we have to go on Is Christ at his second coming when he comes for his bride the church and they become one this is Man ( mankind ) in Gods image how will it look.

We will have Christ the Head the ruler of the body the church the woman this is the image of God the father who is the head of all things and the heavenly host is the body.

when God said And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness      he was speaking of the last thing to be created which was the man Jesus Christ at his second coming if it is not so it means God has failed a few times along the way.

so if I'm right we are at the end of the 6th day of this creation and we are knocking on the door of Christs millennial reign

Love and Peace
Dave


   

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #363 on: December 20, 2017, 12:51:02 AM »
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Hi TJ
Thank you for your post what dose ( in the image of God mean ) I have tried to bring up this subject a few times in different threads but the consensus of opinion seams to be that God made a man and a woman at some time in the distant past and that's it.

To me this looks like he made a very poor job of it when we consider He is the creator of the universe and everything in it don't you think.

So what dose the scripture say.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
   


We need to remember God is not renstricted by time when God says something it's a done deal on our time scale it may take a few days or thousands of years.

What dose the fraise ( and replenish the earth,    ) mean to me it can only mean there was a population on earth that cessed to be which can only mean the time after the flood.

So God begins again from scratch with a new creation the purpose of which has not changed to create Man ( mankind ) in his image it will take 7 days 7000 years.

2Pe 3:8  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
   


so what will the man in Gods image look like the only thing we have to go on Is Christ at his second coming when he comes for his bride the church and they become one this is Man ( mankind ) in Gods image how will it look.

We will have Christ the Head the ruler of the body the church the woman this is the image of God the father who is the head of all things and the heavenly host is the body.

when God said And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness      he was speaking of the last thing to be created which was the man Jesus Christ at his second coming if it is not so it means God has failed a few times along the way.

so if I'm right we are at the end of the 6th day of this creation and we are knocking on the door of Christs millennial reign

Love and Peace
Dave


 




It's certainly a gem to dig up "what is made in the image of God"

Looking at the Old Testifying scritures we read Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when
God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.




Then in the New Testyfying books of the testament of Jesus we read Colossians 3:10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.

It seem's our new person is being transformed into His Image.



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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #364 on: December 20, 2017, 01:15:27 AM »



Not quite sure how we put on the new person, which is being renewed into His Image [sounds like a garment that we phsically
put on does'nt it !]

Here you have a person that was once created - now being recreated.

As I understand it the garden of  Eden was fully renewed/ being fully renewed/ and Adam and Eve would have lived forever
with God in a perfect state [It is almost as if God knew that they would fall]

However now today in my life - I am like a person putting on a new nature nad being transformed / renewed / not fully / but being renewed into God's/ Image/Likeness/ as my old nature has died or is dying and my new nature/image/life/likeness/  is being renewed/restored/

Unike Adam and Eve / I am now having to pt on this garment to see it restored back to God - through the blood of Christ I
can now find salvation/ongoing/being renewed/ restored/ back to the way that was intended in the beginning.

In other words "I am now being made into God's Image" OR - "FROM THE OLD TO THE NEW" [the two natures]



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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #365 on: December 20, 2017, 05:08:37 PM »





It's certainly a gem to dig up "what is made in the image of God"

Looking at the Old Testifying scritures we read Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when
God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.




Then in the New Testyfying books of the testament of Jesus we read Colossians 3:10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.

It seem's our new person is being transformed into His Image.

Hi Tj
Depends on what perspective God said these things was it when he created Man ( mankind ) or when he finished creating Man in his image which is still a future even and will be realised in Christ Jesus the last Adam.

If we are in Christ we are part of  the body of Christ and of the last Adam the body of Christ and as such we are a spiritual body as Paul tells us.

Gal 3:27  For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29  And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.     


All the things that separate us disappear we are all one in Christ and Abrahams seed that's interesting don't you think something that is mentioned in Genesis comes to fruition at the end of creation.

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Not quite sure how we put on the new person, which is being renewed into His Image [sounds like a garment that we phsically
put on does'nt it !]
   

I think maybe its not being renewed as an individual but collectively as the body which is clothed with the rightesness of Christ.

 
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Here you have a person that was once created - now being recreated.
   

We are reborn through the water and spirit

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As I understand it the garden of  Eden was fully renewed/ being fully renewed/ and Adam and Eve would have lived forever
with God in a perfect state [It is almost as if God knew that they would fall]   


Of course God knew the whole prosses of creation was about love that we would use our freewill to Love God if God had made the perfect man at the beginning to love him would that be true love or  would God jest created a robot.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #366 on: December 21, 2017, 12:50:27 AM »
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Of course God knew the whole prosses of creation was about love that we would use our freewill to Love God if God had made the perfect man at the beginning to love him would that be true love or  would God jest created a robot.




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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #367 on: December 21, 2017, 10:11:25 AM »
God means what He says and He has a meaning for every word that He says.  All His works and all His words are perfect, in their choice, order and place.  So perfect, that, if one word or expression is used, there is a reason why no other would have done.

Lets lay aside our own understanding, be silent and worship Him.

In Christ Jesus
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