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Offline John

Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #352 on: December 13, 2017, 02:48:07 PM »
The problem Dave is where does one stop. It is fine to see Jesus being fore shaddowed in the O, of seeing signs that point to his coming and what he will do.
But they are only trailers, not the real thing.
We have the reality of Jesus having been born, lived, taught, died and rising.
We are now looking forward to his second coming, while also seeking to live for him.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #353 on: December 13, 2017, 05:36:53 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply and I agree with what you say we who believe don't need proof of anything we believe what the scriptures say we know we have faith.
But the unbelievers need proof about Jesus and God and what better proof is there than the OT with all its prophecies about Christ and these start in Genesis.

This thread has had over 6037 views this in its self says there are quite a few out there who are interested in what the bible has to say all I hope is something I write will stimulate that interest and lead someone to the narrow gate.

Love and Peace
Dave   

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #354 on: December 13, 2017, 07:49:33 PM »
Dave,
          "But the unbelievers need proof about Jesus and God and what better proof is there than the OT with all its prophecies about Christ and these start in Genesis."

Evidence of the reliability of the OT, fulfillment of prophercies and the historical accuracy of the OT are one thing that might infulence anon christian.

Spiritualised images of Jesus in the events of the OT are not evidence for the accuracy etc of the OT.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #355 on: December 14, 2017, 03:00:02 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply but having thought about it I don't think I am spiritualizing anything all I am doing is applying the creation story of man in Genesis to our Lord.

Paul tells us

2 Corinthians 5:17 [Full Chapter]
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
 2Co 5:17  Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
 Gal 6:15  For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
 
 

Here we are told there is a new creation a new creature so if there is a new creation when did it start I believe there are three creations 1 from the beginning 2 from after the flood 3 from Christ to the end.
All these creations are part of one big creation which starts in the beginning and ends at the end of the millennial reign of Christ.
God always uses the same pattern of creation that's why we see so many similarities between the creation of Israel and Christ and his church.
The story of Cain and Abel is mirrored in the history of Israel and Christ Israel is the older brother Christ the younger Israel is the older ( out of Egypt I called my son )

Then we have.
Isa 46:10  Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
   
 

The beginning is Genesis the end the amen in revelations the purpose of creation to create man in Gods image which is Christ Jesus our Lord  the last Adam.
then to put that man in the paradise of God to tend it that paradise is this earth under the leadership of our King of Kings Jesus Christ.

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Offline Tes Johnson

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« Reply #356 on: December 16, 2017, 01:26:06 AM »
yeah cool about what you believe in your theology - I don't think it makes any difference to your eternal life.

But I focus in on
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behold, all things are become new.

Do we really change in appearance and make an aroma like instant coffee ?

WOW

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« Reply #357 on: December 16, 2017, 10:45:25 AM »
yeah cool about what you believe in your theology - I don't think it makes any difference to your eternal life.

But I focus in on
Do we really change in appearance and make an aroma like instant coffee ?

WOW

Hi TJ
Thanks for your reply I don't know about theology I'm to uneducated for that I just view the creation account for what it is a simple story of what God has done and is doing.

Another example is God began a new creation after the flood on the forth day 4000years he created the sun and the moon the sun represents Christ the light of the world the moon the church that's why Paul says we see in a mirror darkly the moon is the reflected light of the sun.

For me all this fits together perfectly and I know Gods plan of creation will come together perfectly.

Love and peace
Dave

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #358 on: December 17, 2017, 12:26:30 AM »
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Thanks for your reply I don't know about theology I'm to uneducated for that I just view the creation account for what it is a simple story of what God has done and is doing.


ahh I'm uneducated too - so

It where your heeart is that matters   :D




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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #359 on: December 17, 2017, 01:41:11 AM »
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* The woman was made from man, she is bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh therefore called 'woman'(Ge. 2:23), . Adam
later called her Eve, because she was the mother of all living (Gen.3:20).  Mankind includes women, for they are the same
 flesh.



@Cariad .Yes that is correct.

2 Corinthians 4:4-7
Christ is the image of God

Believe that  that Christ is in you - but taking that Christ died for the whole world ? every person is made in
 God's image....surely

Now go to 2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light
of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


The problem occrs when satan is introduced giving a third dimension to our expereinece. [as he was also made in God's
image] as were all the angels...

Appearing to be like God [even created in His image] but he is not God - but god in our lives. as are his myriads - also being messengers...


The problem is that those who do not see God as Lord of their lives "who were created in the image of God" do not reflect the image of God,,

The angels who were created to worship God being created before creation [therefore - not mentioned in the bible as being made in God's image" having free will  - you see it is not black and white.

You will not find a single scipture about angels being created in God's image and yet they are the  of it - being messengers of God

okay you may acknowledge that satan was created in the image of God/ being that he did reflect God's image.

Now -today ? he wil do everything in his power to lead you away from God..

he hates family and unity - he will create chaos as much as he can .