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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #344 on: October 10, 2017, 06:34:45 PM »
Hi Chri
Yes I do believe the scriptures every word italics and all yes I believe God created everything we see human beings as well but me contention is the creation is still ongoing as Paul makes plain.

. om 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now   

Then we have these wonderful words from Hebrews.

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 1  Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

 2  For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. note note

 3  For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

 4  For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

 5  And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

 6  Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: note

 7  Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

 8  For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. note

 9  There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God   


I take these verses to mean that Gods day of rest is still a future event and we can enter into his rest which I believe is Christ's millennial reign.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #345 on: October 23, 2017, 02:30:49 PM »
Hi Chris
In a previous post you Said.

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So, Dave, you do not believe such scriptures as, Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 9:6, which tells us that man is made in God's image?  In His likeness? Remembering that the reference in Genesis 9:6 comes after the fall of man, and yet still states that man is made in God's image, so that the fall makes no difference to that fact.
   


Yes I do believe God made man in his own image the scriptures tell us so on numerous occasions My contention is what dose image of God mean in what shape or form do I as Man look like God.
Then we Have the woman in who's image is she created lets look at what the scripture have to say.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
   


We see here that when God created Man in his image he created them man and woman so I read that as the man Adam and the woman Eve when they were joined together and became one this was man in Gods Image.
 
then we have

Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth   

What dose replenish the earth mean if Adam and eve were the first humans how could they replenish the earth if there was no one before them soto me it makes  sense to place the creation story after Noahs flood when the command to replenish the earth would make sense.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #346 on: October 24, 2017, 10:26:49 AM »
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@davetaff:
Hi Chris
In a previous post you Said.

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So, Dave, you do not believe such scriptures as, Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 9:6, which tells us that man is made in God's image?  In His likeness? Remembering that the reference in Genesis 9:6 comes after the fall of man, and yet still states that man is made in God's image, so that the fall makes no difference to that fact.
   
Yes I do believe God made man in his own image the scriptures tell us so on numerous occasions My contention is what dose image of God mean in what shape or form do I as Man look like God.
Hello Dave,

If Adam stood in front of a reflective surface, he would see his likeness, his  image; that is the earthly image (or likeness) of his Creator (1 Cor.15:47-49).  It is as simple as that. 'God made man of the dust of the ground, He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

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Then we Have the woman in who's image is she created? 

* The woman was made from man, she is bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh therefore called 'woman'(Ge. 2:23), . Adam later called her Eve, because she was the mother of all living (Gen.3:20).  Mankind includes women, for they are the same flesh. 

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lets look at what the scripture have to say.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

We see here that when God created Man in his image he created them man and woman so I read that as the man Adam and the woman Eve when they were joined together and became one this was man in Gods Image.

* They already were one flesh, the woman was taken out of man.  Eve was not a separate creation from Adam, she was of Adam. 
 
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then we have -

Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth   

What does replenish the earth mean if Adam and eve were the first humans how could they replenish the earth if there was no one before them? So
to me it makes  sense to place the creation story after Noah's flood when the command to replenish the earth would make sense.

* Adam and Eve brought forth a son, who bore the likeness (or the image) of his Father (Gen.5:3). 

* Genesis 1: 1:2 tells us that the earth became 'without form and void', and in Isaiah 45 we are told that it was not created that way, so it became so.  Something happened between verses 1 & 2 of Genesis, which made it that way: however, for us to conjecture concerning what, how and why it became so is not advisable, for it will lead to error (2 Pet.3:16; Deut.29:29).  It would appear to have been a flood from the context.  However this is not the flood of Noah's day, Dave.  For this took place many years after the event of Genesis 1:1 & 2, when Noah was 600 years old in fact.  (Gen. 6:17 & 7:6)

* God made the earth to be inhabited (Isa. 45:18) and this is what they (Adam and Eve) were to do. Also following the flood in Noah's day, his sons were to repopulate the earth.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #347 on: October 24, 2017, 07:27:57 PM »
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Yes I do believe God made man in his own image the scriptures tell us so on numerous occasions My contention is what dose image of God mean in what shape or form do I as Man look like God.
Hello Dave,

If Adam stood in front of a reflective surface, he would see his likeness, his  image; that is the earthly image (or likeness) of his Creator (1 Cor.15:47-49).  It is as simple as that. 'God made man of the dust of the ground, He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

hi chris . if Adam looked into a mirror he would see the image of a man like me if Adam is jest a man like me.

But if Christ who is the last Adam after he is united with his bride the church looked in a mirror he would look very different there would be a whole throng of people.

So the first and last Adams have to be similar one would think and of the last Adam it is said.

.  15  Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature   

   


* The woman was made from man, she is bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh therefore called 'woman'(Ge. 2:23), . Adam later called her Eve, because she was the mother of all living (Gen.3:20).  Mankind includes women, for they are the same flesh. 


* They already were one flesh, the woman was taken out of man.  Eve was not a separate creation from Adam, she was of Adam.

.if we read Gen 2 we see that Adam was created before Eve she was created later   interesting to note that the creation of Eve and the Church are very similar they both came from the side of there Adam   
 
* Adam and Eve brought forth a son, who bore the likeness (or the image) of his Father (Gen.5:3).

 .  Abam and Eve had quite a few children but it dose not answer the question why God told them to replenish the earth it must mean there were people before them who ceased to exist    [/color

  Genesis 1: 1:2 tells us that the earth became 'without form and void', and in Isaiah 45 we are told that it was not created that way, so it became so.  Something happened between verses 1 & 2 of Genesis, which made it that way: however, for us to conjecture concerning what, how and why it became so is not advisable, for it will lead to error (2 Pet.3:16; Deut.29:29).  It would appear to have been a flood from the context.  However this is not the flood of Noah's day, Dave.  For this took place many years after the event of Genesis 1:1 & 2, when Noah was 600 years old in fact.  (Gen. 6:17 & 7:6)

* God made the earth to be inhabited (Isa. 45:18) and this is what they (Adam and Eve) were to do. Also following the flood in Noah's day, his sons were to repopulate the earth.
 



I agree that something happens between Gen 1&2 and God tells us what that was with Genesis creation story   


Within the love of Christ our Saviour.
Cariad
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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #348 on: October 28, 2017, 06:13:51 PM »
Hi
Been thinking of these text and like to know what other think.

.  Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul     

Then when God was speaking t Abram he said

. Gen 13:16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered   

From the dust of the earth God created the man in his image which is Christ.

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Dave