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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #320 on: August 09, 2017, 01:26:08 PM »
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@davetaff:
... I see this as a statement of fact that Gods days of creation are 1000 years long the creation story in Genesis is telling us what will happen during those 7000 years or 7 days not forgetting that the only thing missing in this creation is man in Gods image and the only one who could possibly fill that roll is God son Jesus Christ our Lord and this will happen at the rapture when the head and body are united then man in Gods image will be complete.

Gen.1:26-28 has not happened yet but I don't think its a long way of we are close to the end of the 6th day.

Hello again, Dave, (@davetaff)

* At the creation of man, God said: 'Let us make man in our Image, after our likeness' (Gen. 1:26)

* Before the creation, and in order that creation should come to pass, He Who was to be known later as Jesus Christ the Son of God, was 'The Image of the Invisible God' (Col.1:15). 

* The goal of redemption is expressed by the use of this same term-:
'For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate
to be conformed to the image of His Son'

(Rom. 8:29)

* This wondrous goal is glimpsed now by the works of grace within the believer, who has:-
'put on the new man,
which is renewed in knowledge
after the image of Him that created him.'

(Col. 3:10);

* Also, 2 Cor. 3:18 says,
'We all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord,
 are changed into the same image from glory to glory,
even as by the Spirit of the Lord'.


* The absolute fulfilment of what we now merely glimpse, awaits resurrection:
'And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
we shall also bear the Image of the heavenly.'

(1 Cor. 15:49).

* This is the brief testimony of Scripture.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #321 on: August 09, 2017, 02:00:09 PM »
Hello again, Dave,

Further thoughts, concerning Adam,

* Adam is said to be made, 'in the image,' and, 'after the likeness,' of God (Gen. 1:26). or, 'in the likeness of our image'.

* Later, we learn that Christ is the, 'Image of the invisible God', consequently Adam was made, 'after the likeness,' of the Saviour. This is more fully seen when we remember that the word, 'likeness', translates the Hebrew word, 'demuth', from which the very name Adam is derived.

* As Romans 5:14 and 1 Corinthians 15:45 reveal, Adam was a, 'figure of Him that was to come'. The making of Adam in the image and after the likeness of his Maker, not only faintly foreshadowed the coming Saviour, but also the coming Glory. The earthly image must one day be exchanged for the heavenly (1 Cor. 15:49), and this will be only fully realised in resurrection glory.

* Colossians 3:10, however, shows that even now the believer puts on the new man, 'which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created him'.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #322 on: August 09, 2017, 02:49:42 PM »
you Chris
Thank you for your post and the above scripture they are wonderful are they not you said.

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At the creation of man, God said: 'Let us make man in our Image, after our likeness' (Gen. 1:26)   

I think the word man can also mean mankind because it goes on to say in our likeness meaning more than one and could mean many millions.
so how would it look like in heaven we have God the father the supreme head of all things and we have all the heavenly host which serve him this is his helper or woman, in this image he would make mankind through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Not forgetting that at the end of creation all thing are handed back to the father and becomes all in all.

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Before the creation, and in order that creation should come to pass, He Who was to be known later as Jesus Christ the Son of God, was 'The Image of the Invisible God'     
 

Col 1:15  Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
   


I prefer who is not was and I believe this will happen at the rapture when Christ and his bride become one then he will be in the image of the father and mankind will be part of that image.

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The goal of redemption is expressed by the use of this same term-:
'For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate
to be conformed to the image of His Son'
(Rom. 8:29)     

Rom 8:29  For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30  Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
   


I take firstborn to mean the eldest and thereby the head of all his brethren we also come into the question of predestination all those who are called I believe this is the church his body those who are called being or chosen if you like such as Abraham David the apostles.
which raises the question are all of us who profess to be Christians part of the chosen or are some of us jest children of Christ and his church and are the ones who have chosen Christ.

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* This wondrous goal is glimpsed now by the works of grace within the believer, who has:-
'put on the new man,
which is renewed in knowledge
after the image of Him that created him.'
(Col. 3:10);   

Yes we are being renewed into the image of Christ.

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* Also, 2 Cor. 3:18 says,
'We all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord,
 are changed into the same image from glory to glory,
even as by the Spirit of the Lord'.

* The absolute fulfilment of what we now merely glimpse, awaits resurrection:
'And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
we shall also bear the Image of the heavenly.'
(1 Cor. 15:49).   

Wonderful verses Chris thank you so much I think they support my contention that Christ is the image of God the Father

Love and Peace
Dave


 


   

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #323 on: August 09, 2017, 05:19:06 PM »
Hello Dave, (@davetaff)

That the Lord Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God, was never a matter of contention, whereas the content I replied to in #319 is. Did you not read that, Dave?

Also, Dave, you say that there was no representative in the ark, of one created in the image and likeness of God: yet Noah, and his wife and sons were there. Are they not mankind made in the image and likeness of God?

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #324 on: August 11, 2017, 02:49:25 PM »
Hello Dave, (@davetaff)

That the Lord Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God, was never a matter of contention, whereas the content I replied to in #319 is. Did you not read that, Dave?

Also, Dave, you say that there was no representative in the ark, of one created in the image and likeness of God: yet Noah, and his wife and sons were there. Are they not mankind made in the image and likeness of God?

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Cariad

Hi Chris
Thank you for you post and patience Yes I did read your post 319 I read all your post and find them very informative and thought provoking thank you the only thing I will say is my memory is not very good so please forgive me if I don't remember some of the things you post.

You ask about Noah and his family on the ark and were they in the image of God I don't think so if memory serves it was only Noah who was righteous so the rest could not qualify and even he could not be counted blameless as Christ was he still would be tainted with original sin would he not.

The only ones who can qualify are those who are sinless and the only one who is sinless is Christ and those who belong to his body and have been washed in the blood and been forgiven and receive his robe of righteousness.

I have been reading through Genesis again and what has struck me is all those that God has chosen and spoke to and used to fulfil his purpose none are perfect or sinless they all have faults.

But nearly all of them point to Christ one way or another.

Love and Peace
Dave     

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #325 on: August 11, 2017, 03:44:45 PM »
Hello Dave (@davetaff)

I can only rest on what is written. 

May God's will be done.
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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #326 on: August 11, 2017, 05:10:11 PM »
Hello Dave (@davetaff)

I can only rest on what is written. 

May God's will be done.
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Hi Chris
I do the same I believe every word of scripture every jot and tittle as you do I believe God created the world and everything in it in 6 days as you also believe so in our own way we believe the same thing.
The only difference being you believe its something that was finished thousands of years ago and is a done deal I believe its something that God has still to complete.

The most important thing of all is we believe that God is the creator of the universe and everything in it

Love and Peace
Dave 

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #327 on: August 19, 2017, 04:48:34 PM »
Hi Chris
I do the same I believe every word of scripture every jot and tittle as you do I believe God created the world and everything in it in 6 days as you also believe so in our own way we believe the same thing.
The only difference being you believe its something that was finished thousands of years ago and is a done deal I believe its something that God has still to complete.

The most important thing of all is we believe that God is the creator of the universe and everything in it

Love and Peace
Dave


Hello @davetaff,

You have misrepresented me, my friend, for I did not say that. (see #320 & #321)

* Take a look at 1 Corinthians 15:47-49:-

'The first man is of the earth, earthy: (Adam)
the second man is the Lord from heaven.
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy:
and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly
.'


* We bear the image of the first man (Adam) who was made in the image and likeness of God, in the flesh.  In resurrection we shall bear the spiritual (or heavenly) image.  Like David we can say:-

'As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness:
I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with Thy likeness.
'

(Psa 17:15)

* May God's Name be Praised!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad