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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2016, 07:52:19 AM »
Matthew 19:26 - now view Luke 1:37; For no word from God will ever fail."


This is an eternal Word of God - not limited by us or time -  it is based on God's nature [who He is]

The only option here in understanding "chosen" yet saved and unchosen is the spiritual difference between those born and those never born [for how can an angel be "born again" ?

Yet a word from God can fail [as it did with the flood]

As it seems God cannot overcome human will......nor angelic will.

So how will the new earth be different ...as God pours down His flood upon the new earth ? [after temporal life] as we know it

Just a thought - will we have free will on/in the new earth?

TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2016, 01:33:55 PM »
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Just a thought - will we have free will on/in the new earth?

Yes we will always have free will [within God's boundaries]   :D




Tj,
           How did God's word fail in the flood?


I was foolish in leaving an open error and a crack in my armour  :o

As the bible was yet to be written [although already written -  in God]

The  only Word at this "time" was Jesus" who was God.

I suppose I was using the analogy of "parent with run away child"




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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2016, 04:24:33 PM »
Hi Davetaff,
                        To major on just one characteristic of God distorts our understanding of God. What about the Holiness of God? A Holiness that views our ?little white lies? as an obscenity screamed in his face.
I understand that it can be difficult to accept what God has done and sometimes the only answer we can have is ?I don?t know?, but one thing we can never do is to assume it was a mistake or an error.
God is perfect in his knowledge and justice.
Why did God destroy all living things. Firstly animals have only the breath of life, they do not have a soul, only man is described as being a living soul. Second you say they had done nothing wrong. Yet God in his wisdom, justice and mercy chose to destroy them.
All those who God has chosen to save will be saved from Adam all the way to the last person living, none of Gods chosen will be lost.
Davetaff, the whole point of the incident at the well was to show that worship is in spirit and in truth, where, how and with what we worship doesn?t matter compared to who we are worshipping and provided it is with all that we are.

Hi John
Thanks for you post I did not mean to imply God made a mistake or an error I was jest curious why destroy the animals it obviously fulfilled a purpose what like you say we don't know but it dose not stop us pondering it.
Yes all those chosen by God will be saved but they are relatively few in number but those who have chosen God are a great multitude and they also will be saved.
As for the incident at the well I was asking the question did the water that Christ offered always exist from the beginning of creation.

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Just a thought - will we have free will on/in the new earth?
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I would say absolutely without a doubt without free will we cannot Love God as he want's us to love him and as he loves us.

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Could I interupt by asking "what scripture indictates that "God was only preached from Seth til Noah ? "
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I was thinking of this scripture.

Gen 4:26  And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Love and Peace
Dave


         
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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2016, 10:28:54 PM »
Davetaff,
                 Jesus disn't offer actuall water, he was talking about the Spirit of God quenching our spiritual thirst for God.

TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2016, 03:15:43 AM »
Hi John
Thanks for you post I did not mean to imply God made a mistake or an error I was jest curious why destroy the animals it obviously fulfilled a purpose what like you say we don't know but it dose not stop us pondering it.
Yes all those chosen by God will be saved but they are relatively few in number but those who have chosen God are a great multitude and they also will be saved.
As for the incident at the well I was asking the question did the water that Christ offered always exist from the beginning of creation.

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I would say absolutely without a doubt without free will we cannot Love God as he want's us to love him and as he loves us.

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I was thinking of this scripture.

Gen 4:26  And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Love and Peace
Dave


       

Yes I would agree that @davetaff people in the line of Adam and Eve now began to see the blessing of being in a Genealogy/being Descendants of and being in the lineage of adam.....Now saw a distinct offering of being accepted as children of God and begamn to call on the name of the Lord.

Yet in the NT we see a new branch and root being grafted in [I wonder if this new branch only began in the New Testament  ?



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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2016, 02:16:43 PM »
Davetaff,
                 Jesus disn't offer actuall water, he was talking about the Spirit of God quenching our spiritual thirst for God.

Hi John
I totally agree with you I did not mean to imply it was ordinary water of course it's spiritual water so my question is has this spiritual water always existed if so is it the water of the flood.

Then we need to consider these verses from Romans

 Rom 4:15  Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 5:13  (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14  Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

As far as I can see in scripture there was no law given until Moses so those who sinned up to Noah could not be condemned as law breakers so how could God condemn then to permanent destruction would than not be unjust.

Love and Peace
Dave   

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2016, 03:59:37 PM »
Hi
A few more thoughts on Noah I did read somewhere that as all those who where saved through the flood with Noah are like all of us who are saved through Christ as part of his body he is our ark so to speak if we remain in him  our Lord said abide in me.

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DAve

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2016, 02:39:27 PM »
Davestaff,
               The water of the flood is still here in the seas and rain that falls.
As to spiritual water, don'tget tied up in knots over symbolism. Jesus was talking to a women at a well so he used something she could understand to bring her into a spiritual relationship with himself.