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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #280 on: November 07, 2016, 06:17:11 PM »
The colour red often represents blood.

Isaiah talks about 'scarlet' and 'crimson' not necessarily because they are both varieties of red, but primarily because they were fast colours which no amount of washing would remove. And similarly, we can't rid ourselves of the stain of sin.

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interesting to note that her household was saved but there's no mention of them having faith.
But they would only be saved if they took refuge with her in her house. So they had to believe what she told them and accept her invitation - which would require trust in the spies' word. Which is faith by another name...

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #281 on: November 08, 2016, 11:51:16 AM »
'Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
though your sins be as scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they be red like crimson,
they shall be as wool.'

(Isa 1:18) 

Thank you @Dave and @Deborah for your responses.

Here in Isaiah 1:18, we see a comparison being made, with the use of colour as a visual aid, to enable the mind to visualise the 'before and after' effect of coming to the Lord in sincere repentance, not just in word, but in deed and in truth. 

Speaking to 'Judah and Jerusalem' (v.1) through Isaiah, God  told them that they were a sinful nation, laden with iniquity, evil doers and corrupters. They had forsaken the Lord their God, and gone backwards. There was no soundness in them, and their hands were filled with blood guiltiness.  They had a shew of devoutness in their sacrificial offerings, the keeping of the Sabbath etc.,  but their actions showed them to be reprobate and perverse. Their sins were glaringly visible to all.  Like the colour scarlet in it's vividness. 

The whole chapter is very graphic. They were in danger of God's severe judgement, and God entreats them to turn from their wicked ways and seek His face, with fruits of willingness and obedience before Him. Then God says, He would purify them, and cleanse them.

This verse is often used by gospel preachers when making a call to lost sinners to turn to the Lord and seek Him, that their sins may be forgiven them and they be reconciled to God.  With the promise that all of their sins will be forgiven them, and they be made 'holy and without blame before him' (Eph. 1:4).   

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #282 on: November 08, 2016, 04:19:42 PM »
Hi
Thanks for your replies interesting while we are on the subject of red maybe we can take a look at the following.

Gen 25:25  And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.

As I understand it The name Adam can mean ruddy is there a connection what dose Esau's redness tell us can it be sinful mankind ??

Then we Have

 Gen 25:26  And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.

Which made me think of

Gen 3:15  And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Is there a connection.

I feel that the story of Jacob and Esau is reminiscent of Cain and Able. Jacob received the blessing by deception do you think it was part of Gods plan.
Jacob became Israel and Israel killed our Lord The younger brother kills the older brother Christ being the first of all creation.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #283 on: November 22, 2016, 03:32:04 PM »
Hi
In the last post I said

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I feel that the story of Jacob and Esau is reminiscent of Cain and Able. Jacob received the blessing by deception do you think it was part of Gods plan.
Jacob became Israel and Israel killed our Lord The younger brother kills the older brother Christ being the first of all creation.   

I think also when Israel crucified our lord our Lord was the youngest son according to the flesh so this is reminiscent of Cain killing Able then Seth replaces able foreshadowing  the resurrection.

The next question who was Enoch he had a comparatively short life only 300 years the strange thing is he did not die but God took him anyone have any thoughts on this.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #284 on: November 26, 2016, 03:59:30 PM »
Hi
Seams I will have to carry on alone hopefully not for to long they lock people up for talking to ones self :azn:

I have bean thinking about these verses

 Gen 4:25  And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

Here we see God fulfilling his promise to the woman about the seed which will eventually lead to Christ.

Gen 3:15  And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
 
Gen 4:26  And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

What interests me with this verse is if men started to call on the name of God at this early stage in mans history why weren't there more people   to be saved in the time of Noah.
We have Enoch of course he must have bean a man of God but one would think there would be other's was it because there was no forgiveness on the other hand was Enoch a type of Christ that's why he was taken up if so maybe we should be looking at the flood in a different way.
Jest having a little muse would be interested in other peoples musings on this please join in

Love and Peace
Dave   


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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #285 on: November 30, 2016, 12:15:23 AM »
 Acts 8:39  When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing.



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 Colossians 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,



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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #286 on: November 30, 2016, 01:40:00 AM »
So taken up here may not always mean the same thing.



I mean was Jesus saved from death ?
  Hebrews 11:5 says By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: "He could not be found, because God had taken him away." For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.

Jesus died that we might live , but Jesus died after enoch lived





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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #287 on: November 30, 2016, 02:53:05 PM »
Acts 8:39  When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing.



We are all translated intoi the kingdom of His Son

 Colossians 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,

Hi Q
Thanks for your replies nice to know I am not alone, Just thinking of the passage you quoted do you think it was the water they used for baptism or was it the water of the word of God Philip used to cleans the eunuch.
And in like manner was Noah's flood a literal flood of water in which God drowned the entire population of the world and saved jest eight people I have problems with this and the lake of fire.
or was it a great spiritual flood of Gods word that washed them clean jest having a little muse.

Love and Peace
Dave