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Offline francis drake

Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #272 on: September 01, 2016, 11:07:00 PM »
Dave,
It wasn't,t part of God,s plan that those in Jericho should make peace with Israel, but had they wanted to they could, just as the gibbionites did.
It wasn't,t part of God,s plan for peace to be made with them.
As you know God is a God of love and mercy and will forgive ALL who repent.
The problem was Jericho's inhabitants despite their knowledge thought they could beat God, just as people today think they can do without and can beat, outwit God.
A very good discussion.

I think the above points illustrate the amazing foreknowledge of God who knew before the creation of the earth, that with precisely the same witness, the whole of Jericho would reject God's grace, yet one woman would make a stand in faith.

The following is what the Lord said to Abraham about that day (Jericho etc). He is referring to the children of Abraham's in stay Egypt, and their eventual return to judge the land of Canaan.
Genesis15v16"Then in the fourth generation they will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete."

God knew that the Amorites would degenerate and earmarked Jericho for destruction on that basis. He also sent his spies to the one woman he knew would respond with righteousness.
That woman, Rahab, was married into the royal line that begat King David and King Jesus.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #273 on: September 12, 2016, 04:21:11 PM »
Hi
 Thanks for your replies some good points made I would jest like to add what I call the bigger picture concerning entering into Jericho.
 God takes his Son Israel out of Egypt Israel is born through the red sea after 40 years they pass through the Jordan they are reborn now as I understand it they where not to make peace with any of the natives but Drive them out.
In the same vain we as Christians are not to make peace with the world or to compromise with it but to destroy it with the sword of truth the word of God but it looks like we are not doing a very good job.
The Israelite's did not do it either they failed even made peace with one set of people Funny how history repeats itself.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #274 on: October 10, 2016, 04:01:15 PM »
Hi
Some time since we visited this his topic So here we have Israel entering the promised land a land flowing with milk and Honey was this meant to be Israels Eden paradise of course it never became that did it manly because they disobeyed and went after the gods and Idols of those who lived there bit like eating from the tree of knowledge they had the knowledge of good the law of God then they acquired the
knowledge of evil from the inhabitants of the land.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #275 on: October 18, 2016, 12:32:30 PM »
Hi
Some time since we visited this his topic So here we have Israel entering the promised land a land flowing with milk and Honey was this meant to be Israels Eden paradise of course it never became that did it manly because they disobeyed and went after the gods and Idols of those who lived there bit like eating from the tree of knowledge they had the knowledge of good the law of God then they acquired the
knowledge of evil from the inhabitants of the land.

Love and Peace
Dave

'I call heaven and earth to record this day against you,
that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing:
therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
That thou mayest love the LORD thy God,
and that thou mayest obey His voice,
and that thou mayest cleave unto Him:
for He is thy life,
and the length of thy days:
that thou mayest dwell in the land
which the LORD sware unto thy fathers,
to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.'

(Deu 30:19,20)

Hi there, Dave, (@davetaff)

What solemn words, spoken by God, to Israel, through His servant Moses these are aren't they, Dave?

* I always feel so sorry for Moses, that having seen the promised land from afar, he was not able to enter in himself, not in this life. 

'And the LORD said unto him,(Moses)
"This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob,
saying," I will give it unto thy seed:"
I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes,
but thou shalt not go over thither.
So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab,
according to the word of the LORD.

And He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor:
but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.
And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died:
his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.'

(Deu 34:4-7)

*Yet He has a life to come, hasn't he?  Resurrection life: in which he, like his countrymen, will live to enter into the promises. 

'My flesh and my heart faileth:
but God is the strength of my heart,
and my portion for ever.'

Psa.73:26

In Christ Jesus
Cariad





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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #276 on: October 19, 2016, 02:39:39 PM »
Hi Cariad
Thanks for your post  great scripture as usual yes entering the promised land Joshua at the head I see Joshua and Jesus is the same name that means God saves the Book of Hebrews has quite a bit to say on this.

Of those who came out of Egypt who died in the desert He says.

Heb 3:10  Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11  So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Heb 3:12  Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13  But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14  For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

But our Joshua will lead us in to Gods Sabbath rest

Heb 4:1  Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2  For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3  For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4  For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5  And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6  Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7  Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8  For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9  There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Yes Gods Sabbath rest is waiting for us and our Lord Jesus Christ will lead us in  this Sabbath rest has bean waiting since the foundation of the world when God rests from all his creating work.

Love and Peace
Dave


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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #277 on: November 05, 2016, 07:36:46 PM »
Great Scriptures, Dave.

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Re:Finding Christ in the Old Testament
« Reply #278 on: November 06, 2016, 07:34:43 PM »
A very good discussion.

I think the above points illustrate the amazing foreknowledge of God who knew before the creation of the earth, that with precisely the same witness, the whole of Jericho would reject God's grace, yet one woman would make a stand in faith.

The following is what the Lord said to Abraham about that day (Jericho etc). He is referring to the children of Abraham's in stay Egypt, and their eventual return to judge the land of Canaan.
Genesis15v16"Then in the fourth generation they will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete."

God knew that the Amorites would degenerate and earmarked Jericho for destruction on that basis. He also sent his spies to the one woman he knew would respond with righteousness.
That woman, Rahab, was married into the royal line that begat King David and King Jesus.

'By faith the harlot Rahab
perished not with them that believed not,
when she had received the spies with peace.'

(Heb 11:31)

Hello @francis drake,

* Rahab is included among those who it is said in Hebrews 11, 'obtained a good report', as a result of faith obedience.

Josh. 2; Josh.6:17, Josh.6:23, Josh.6:25; Psa. 87:4; Psa.89:10;
Isaiah 51: Heb. 11:3; James 2:25


* These references all tell us something about Rahab, but it is the scarlet thread, (Strong's H8144) mentioned in (Joshua 2:18,21) that caught my imagination, and has stayed with me since reading of it:-

?Behold, when we come into the land,
thou shalt bind this line of scarlet thread
in the window which thou didst let us down by:
and thou shalt bring thy father,
and thy mother, and thy brethren,
and all thy father's household, home unto thee.?

(verse 18)

'And she said, "According unto your words, so be it."
And she sent them away, and they departed:
and she bound the scarlet line in the window.'

(verse 21)

* The word translated 'scarlet', in verses 18 & 21, is the Hebrew words 'shaniy' ( shaw-nee) Strong's concordance definition being,
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Strong's concordance:
H8144 - of uncertain derivation;
Meaning: 'crimson',( properly the insect or its colour, also stuff dyed with it).
Interpreted:-  'crimson', 'scarlet' (thread).


* This, 'insect,' I discovered is the, 'worm,' referred to prophetically, concerning our Lord in Psalm 22:6

'But I am a worm' (H8438),
'and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.'
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Stong's concordance:
H8438 - tola‛ tole‛ah tola ath tola ath
From H3216;
Meaning: a maggot (as voracious);
Specifically (often with ellipsis of H8144 - 'the crimson grub'),
But used only (in this connection) of the colour from it,
And cloths dyed therewith.

Translated:- 'crimson', 'scarlet', 'worm'.


* I just loved this at the time of finding it, that 'the scarlet thread', which was a symbol of Rahab's faith, was linked in such a manner with our Lord Jesus Christ, upon whose faith our hope also rests, and whose blood ran red in order to secure it for us.
 
PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME

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Cariad

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #279 on: November 07, 2016, 04:23:51 PM »
Hi Cariad
I enjoyed your last post set me thinking of red and scarlet and came across this

Isa 1:18  Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

hear we see the Lord equating sin with the colour red maybe Rahab having led a sinful life being a harlot, the scarlet thread represented this.
And because she had faith in what the spies told she and her household where saved. interesting to note that her household was saved but there's no mention of them having faith.
Just musing here on what  Isa 1:18 may mean anyone have any thoughts on this.

Love and Peace
Dave