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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #256 on: August 06, 2016, 04:25:06 PM »
Hello there,

The Church which is the Body of Christ is not the subject of Old Testament Scriptures: for it was 'hid in God' (Eph. 3:9) until made known to Paul, as 'the Lord's prisoner', while in a Roman prison, at the end of the Acts period. It was made known by Paul, as the Steward, or Administrator, of the fellowship (or dispensation) of the mystery, following the laying aside (temporarily) of Israel, as a nation, in unbelief, after the 40 years of the Acts period: during which time opportunity had been given for Israel to repent and receive Christ Jesus as their Messiah.  This they did not do, and it awaits a yet future day.

These are the 'unsearchable riches of Christ', Unsearchable, because not made known, prior to this revelation.  This knowledge is the subject of the letters written by Paul from prison.  Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1&2 Timothy and Titus. So it is not for us to attempt to superimpose the Church which is His Body, onto the events of the Old Testament Scriptures, in it's types and shadow's.

'Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints,
 is this grace given,
that I should preach among the Gentiles
the unsearchable riches of Christ;
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,
which from the beginning of the world
hath been hid in God,

Who created all things by Jesus Christ ... '

Ephesians 3:8,9)

Praise God!

With love in Christ Jesus
Cariad

Hi Cariad
Thanks four post very thought provoking as usual you said.

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The Church which is the Body of Christ is not the subject of Old Testament Scriptures

Not to sure about this when God created Adam he decided he needed a helper so he created Eve its interesting to note that Eve was made out of Adams side and the second Adam which is Christ was on the cross the roman soldier pierced his side and from that blood and water flowed out and from that  the second Eve was created.
In the same vain Israel when God brought them out of Egypt it was with Blood they sprinkled on there door posts and water of the red sea the woman who was created here was the priesthood the levites.

There are many scriptures which allude to the church none better than The song of Solomon.

Love and Peace
Dave   

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #257 on: August 07, 2016, 10:37:02 AM »
Hello @davetaff,

Thank you for responding to my post. :)

I believe that the allegorical approach to God's Word is a dangerous one, for it can lead to error.  Similarly with spiritualising it.  Therefore I personally take a literal approach where possible.  There are types and shadows representing Christ in the Old Testament, some of which are revealed in the New Testament, but to read the church into the Old Testament you have to ask, 'Which Church?' For there is more than one company called a church, or called out company, in the Bible. The company called, 'The Church which is His (Christ's) Body', was only formed following the laying aside of Israel in unbelief (temporarily) at Acts 28, with the repitition once again of the quotation from Isaiah 6.  It was hid in God (Ephesians 3:9) until made known to Paul while in prison, and revealed through him in the epistles he wrote from prison*.  Not the subject therefore of Old Time prophecy.

The Body of Christ is one company fulfilling one part of the purpose of God,The Bride of the Lamb fulfills another quite different purpose.
They have different functions, different hopes and spheres of blessing. To lump them all together and call them, 'The Church,' is to do an injustice to their individuality in the purpose of God, and diminish their importance, thus burying their singular function in the will of God the Father, beneath the trappings of tradition.

With love to you.
In Christ Jesus
Cariad


* Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1&2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon (prison epistles)







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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #258 on: August 07, 2016, 02:34:55 PM »
Hi Cariad
Thanks for your post I do enjoy reading them and find them thought provoking and I have nothing against a literal belief in Gods word as I have myself with many parts of scripture.
But I do think there is a higher meaning to much of scripture after all God is spirit and yes you are right it can lead to error with allegory and spiritual interpretation my rule of thumb is  it must show Gods Love it must have a good outcome.
I also think about what Paul had to say about seeing in a mirror darkly when we look in a mirror we see things round the wrong way I see Gods word as a type of mirror so what we read needs to be turned around the right way if that makes sense.

Yes I agree with you that the church was formed created after the resurrection I have thought that the bride and the body may be separate the Bride being all those chosen by our lord starting with the apostles the Bride being a mother figure who calls her children out of the world the children being the body of believers.
We have a picture of this in Israel Christ was the Head the levite priesthood the woman who looked after the spiritual welfare of the other 11 tribes who are the children.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #260 on: August 17, 2016, 02:33:47 PM »
Hi
Thanks TJ for that bit of light refreshment always welcome a laugh a day keeps boardum away  :great:

Thought we mite take a look at Joshua to see if we can find Christ in his story we know the names Joshua and Jesus mean the same " God saves" so maybe this gives us a clue.
Joshua became the leader of Israel after Moses death he was to lead Israel into the promised land His first task to lead them through the river Jordan again God shows his great power by parting the waters to allow them to walk through on dry land I see this as a type of rebirth the first birth was through the red sea.
It also mirrors our baptism being reborn into the kingdom of God.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #261 on: August 22, 2016, 02:43:10 PM »
HI
Have bean doing a little reading on Joshua seams to very bloody as he drove out the different peoples that lived there with the edge of the sword it also say the Lord went before  him not sure what that means was it the lord that drove them out.
What this reminds me of is the Lord going before us with the sword of his mouth which is the word of God is the  lesson here war and violence dose not work but Love and forgiveness will work eventually.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #262 on: August 22, 2016, 07:26:10 PM »
Tell that to the cityzens of Jericho, violence did for them. They had the chance to seek love and mercy, but were too stubon, too proud, too confident that they and there gods would defeat the Israelites.

 They were fataly wrong.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #263 on: August 23, 2016, 02:57:10 PM »
Hi John
When did Jericho have a chance to ask for mercy on what scripture do you base your statement.

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Dave