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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #248 on: July 23, 2016, 10:05:41 AM »
I say "married" Kentura - because marriage is the joining of two people - however Abraham could not marry a  concubine.


Anyway I feel like I'm the only poster ATM [So I will retreat]   :o

I might not always be posting, but I am reading and digesting :wink:

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #249 on: July 23, 2016, 11:54:28 AM »
Hi TJ
May e there is a shadow all through Israel's history God accuses Israel of whoredom going after other gods like a prostitute and our lord Jesus was born out of Israel on the spiritual plan so to speak part of his humiliation he came into the world the lowest of the low.

As for Solomon he was priest prophet and king as our Lord is is he a shadow of our Lord his he also a shadow of the first Adam who was deceived by the woman as Solomon was by his wives is he a shadow pointing backwards and forwards.

Then we have to ask ourselves was Christ taken up to heaven so he would not be deceived or contaminated by the woman the church although forgiven is still sinful.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #250 on: August 05, 2016, 04:23:08 PM »
I say "married" Kentura - because marriage is the joining of two people - however Abraham could not marry a  concubine.


Anyway I feel like I'm the only poster ATM [So I will retreat]   :o

Hi TJ
I was thinking that in the time of Abraham no law had been given and where there is no law there is no transgression.

Maybe it's time to get back to finding Christ in the OT, after Israel entered the promised land we entered the time of the judges Christ was the head of the Israelite's they had no earthly King It seams this is a image of what will happen in the end times.

 Mat 19:28  And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

I find it fascinating that what happens to Israel is repeated in the future what do others think.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #251 on: August 06, 2016, 03:01:54 AM »
Hi TJ
I was thinking that in the time of Abraham no law had been given and where there is no law there is no transgression.

Maybe it's time to get back to finding Christ in the OT, after Israel entered the promised land we entered the time of the judges Christ was the head of the Israelite's they had no earthly King It seams this is a image of what will happen in the end times.

 Mat 19:28  And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

I find it fascinating that what happens to Israel is repeated in the future what do others think.

Love and Peace
Dave     

Well the union/marriage/ in the OT Between God's people and Him is really a shadow of Christ and His Church [you see]

It is in no way meant to deviate from the topic - but is meant to reveal "God;s Love for the early OT Church"

You see these unions have different meanings and results.

As God can even use pharoah or King herod Acts 12:23 [annanias and saphira were not the only ones struck down] by an angel of the Lord

God can use anyone ,anytime,anywhere .....[even a donkey]



Hi TJ
I was thinking that in the time of Abraham no law had been given and where there is no law there is no transgression.

Ah but - were Adam and Eve Judged by not breaking any laws of God ?

Were all peoples free of sin before the ten commandments ?

Depending in which time period you lived in [and which covenant] depends which laws of God you broke  ?

Adam and Eve broke one law of God [which was not to take "that which was not theirs"

They broke that law..........[does this mean Adam could have killed Eve ?]


Does it mean that anyone could murder or steal, or deny God before the ten commandments ? NO...


The only time there was "no law and therefore no transgression was "before time and man"









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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #252 on: August 06, 2016, 03:15:08 AM »
Carrying on with Christ in the OT

I would suggest God/Jesus does not change through time.


I would ask "why were the works of Cain seen as  evil, [before the Lord]  and  the works of Abel seen as righteous  ?

How could the men of Sodom  and Gommorah [note men and not  women ]  be seen as wicked before the Lord [Jesus]  if there was no law ?

You see Jesus was there and judging.



However I might suggest we have all sinned since Adam and Eve - as we have all lied, stolen, murdered, [as in our sins put Jesus on the Cross - Even  Adam and Eve]

Even back then Cain's action was seen as evl before the Lord  - whereas Abels was seen as right before the Lord. [the Angel of the Lord]

Eve sinned - yet she also lied and deceived [with her eyes] she went away from God [hence God had to find them. She created a sacrifice and she broke commandments.....

Yet in the New Testament Christ has made one law [Again] whcih is to love others and God [Jesus]

You see how God now returns to His original law - which supercedes all others.


In theb garden of Eden [Paradise]

The original commandments are still in place [as they always have been] but there is a greater commandment .

[not to take which is not ours]  to take the place of God... [in our lives]

Its a small segment of a picture - to convey that God's grace is evident [even from the dawning of time]







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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #253 on: August 06, 2016, 09:10:53 AM »
Hello there,

The Church which is the Body of Christ is not the subject of Old Testament Scriptures: for it was 'hid in God' (Eph. 3:9) until made known to Paul, as 'the Lord's prisoner', while in a Roman prison, at the end of the Acts period. It was made known by Paul, as the Steward, or Administrator, of the fellowship (or dispensation) of the mystery, following the laying aside (temporarily) of Israel, as a nation, in unbelief, after the 40 years of the Acts period: during which time opportunity had been given for Israel to repent and receive Christ Jesus as their Messiah.  This they did not do, and it awaits a yet future day.

These are the 'unsearchable riches of Christ', Unsearchable, because not made known, prior to this revelation.  This knowledge is the subject of the letters written by Paul from prison.  Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1&2 Timothy and Titus. So it is not for us to attempt to superimpose the Church which is His Body, onto the events of the Old Testament Scriptures, in it's types and shadow's.

'Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints,
 is this grace given,
that I should preach among the Gentiles
the unsearchable riches of Christ;
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,
which from the beginning of the world
hath been hid in God,

Who created all things by Jesus Christ ... '

Ephesians 3:8,9)

Praise God!

With love in Christ Jesus
Cariad

TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #254 on: August 06, 2016, 03:32:51 PM »
Hello there,

The Church which is the Body of Christ is not the subject of Old Testament Scriptures: for it was 'hid in God' (Eph. 3:9) until made known to Paul, as 'the Lord's prisoner', while in a Roman prison, at the end of the Acts period. It was made known by Paul, as the Steward, or Administrator, of the fellowship (or dispensation) of the mystery, following the laying aside (temporarily) of Israel, as a nation, in unbelief, after the 40 years of the Acts period: during which time opportunity had been given for Israel to repent and receive Christ Jesus as their Messiah.  This they did not do, and it awaits a yet future day.

These are the 'unsearchable riches of Christ', Unsearchable, because not made known, prior to this revelation.  This knowledge is the subject of the letters written by Paul from prison.  Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1&2 Timothy and Titus. So it is not for us to attempt to superimpose the Church which is His Body, onto the events of the Old Testament Scriptures, in it's types and shadow's.

'Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints,
 is this grace given,
that I should preach among the Gentiles
the unsearchable riches of Christ;
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,
which from the beginning of the world
hath been hid in God,

Who created all things by Jesus Christ ... '

Ephesians 3:8,9)

Praise God!

With love in Christ Jesus
Cariad

I wonder if the "synagogues" could be defined as  church in the OT and NT

 ...or maybe a church  is  [only where Jesus is ?>] a congregation together as one eg: Judges 20:1 Then all Israel from Dan to Beersheba and from the land of Gilead came together as one and assembled before the LORD in Mizpah


Cariad

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #255 on: August 06, 2016, 03:46:30 PM »
I wonder if the "synagogues" could be defined as  church in the OT and NT

 ...or maybe a church  is  [only where Jesus is ?>] a congregation together as one eg: Judges 20:1 Then all Israel from Dan to Beersheba and from the land of Gilead came together as one and assembled before the LORD in Mizpah

Hi TJ's,

The nation of Israel is spoken of by God, through Peter as, 'the church in the wilderness', 'church' or 'called out company '(Acts 7:38), which Israel was, wasn't it?  Called out to be the People of God.  The synagogue was merely the place where they congregated, wasn't it?

In Christ Jesus
Cariad