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TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #240 on: July 22, 2016, 01:44:51 AM »
And so Abraham at over 140 years of age married Kentura who  was one of his concubines..

From her he had another six son's  [being of an age of 140 years of age [he must have laughed] - yet they have no mention in the NT - as they are not shadows.


Here Abraham joined himself [rather than God joining]  yes God does miracles without us believing  :great:

In this day and age it would be seen as a miracle and shown on TV 


In fact people would not believe it and would deny the entire story

And so here we see God inspired scripture - yet a man's ventures with no God blessings.... [no seed  or should I say "no multiplication"

Although there was now a marriage  with Kentura - it had no future .  ?

Now before you anwer this do some deep searching [as it is not in the normal sermon]  @kim


Now you see : free wives and slave wives. /you do not identify with this [now in this day and age]

TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #241 on: July 22, 2016, 02:42:12 PM »
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Here Abraham joined himself [rather than God joining]

I say "married" Kentura - because marriage is the joining of two people - however Abraham could not marry a  concubine.


Anyway I feel like I'm the only poster ATM [So I will retreat]   :o

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #242 on: July 22, 2016, 07:24:08 PM »
Hi TJ
Abraham was free to marry whom he pleased after Sarah died once a partner dies the other is free to marry.
Interesting to note there will be no marriage in the Kingdom to come .

Love and peace
Dave

TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #243 on: July 23, 2016, 01:38:33 AM »
Hi TJ
Abraham was free to marry whom he pleased after Sarah died once a partner dies the other is free to marry.
Interesting to note there will be no marriage in the Kingdom to come .

Love and peace
Dave

Sure but a concubine is a women who gave herself [usually to a wealthy man] hence kings had many concubines  due to there status.

If a women had no family or husband -one of the options to her was to give herself as a concubine.

This way she would have a roof over her head, a bed and food and be looked after by her master.

Now some might ask "how could kings and the wealthy not commit adultery ?" while using these women for their pleasure.

In the same way Kings with many concubines such as solomon had 300 concubines


TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #244 on: July 23, 2016, 01:39:57 AM »
The  only modern equal to a concubine in this day and age would be a prostitute


TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #245 on: July 23, 2016, 01:41:50 AM »
You see Abraham could not have married Kentura because she was a slave [she had given herself without a dowry / family/father/

Mind you there are no mariage ceremonies in "God's word/the bible" 

so we can only take the uniting of two to be one

however - taking that concept would mean that solomon was one with one thousand wives !  Stand aside  Casanova..................

And so Abraham took Kentura for himself - not a wife but a concubine




TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #246 on: July 23, 2016, 01:59:33 AM »
I mentioned solomon a moment ago.

You see the sin was not that solomon had seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines ! the sin here - was that his wives led him away from the Lord becasue he was unqually yoked [foreign wives with foreign gods]  1 Kings 11:3 He had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray.


Do not conform to the world but be.....do not do as they do....we are in the world but not of it... etc

The same thing happened again and again in biblical history eg : samson and delilah...

Now note wives and concubines in 1 kings [they are not Listed as the same]

Concubines gave there services [bodies] in return for a life [having no other option]




Now we know the marriage ceremony between the Son and the Bride as illustrated throughout scripture [as she waits for Him "not him for her" and how He arrives at night and takes her to the fathers house [which has many rooms "prepared in advance"] and how He had paid the price for her [dowry] etc.

Here we have the Father and the Son and The Church....[Bride]

But I ask "where does the concubine fit into this as a shadow ?

She [individual]  has no choice - yet she does really in that she can choose to live in poverty and starvation [without a family or husband] or be a prostitute or beggar.

Far better for her to offer herself as an available woman to a king or rich man and to have a better life...

Maybe she might even bear children by him and they might also be looked after as she is [having food, a better life, a bed to lay in, and clothes to wear, .

All she had to do was to give herself [body] to the man.

So in one instance we see a wife given by a family and in another a "slave girl" low society offering herself - so as to make a life.

Where might you see the shadow ?




From my perspective/ from my view/being in this day and age ..

I see two wives yet not equal

One that says "I love Him and givemy life to Him"

The other that says "I have a choice but no chance - unless I unite with Him"

You maybe would suggest that they are both equal in Christ,

well why was'nt kentura made into a nation and why did concubines not inherit  [all that was their husbands ?]

there is no shadow here  [lets continue posting in the hope someone will pickup @davetaff:D




TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #247 on: July 23, 2016, 03:38:32 AM »
BTW the bride here is the man or woman [in Christ] metaphor/shadow

Whereas the concubine/shadow/metaphor/  must also include men.

So whereas these women gave themselves [their bodies] as concubines without the privileges of wives.

Men here would be missed out ? so it must include men also [who have no choice] and give their bodies.


So what woukld men do at that time - they had no hope

You see the Bride here is the [body] men and women...

And so we go back to those blessed of God [Rich] and those who were poor [not seen as blessed]

Is'nt that just a shadow of today's society in the richest parts of the world  ?

the third world has no hope here [they are concubines]