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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2016, 04:27:34 PM »
Noah and his family were the only ones alive who were righteous, Enoch was the only other righteous man and he was taken by God.
As I'm sure you are aware it takes effort to seek to live for God, it is far easier to just live for ones self.

s to the flood. How would a flood of God's spirit destroy the world ? The bible and Jesus referr to a world wide flood that destroyed all living things on land. Just as one day fire will do the same. In the economy of God, the simplist explanation is usually the right one. i.e. Rather than a supernaturalflood there was a natural flood, from natural resources. Geologist reckon that there was once only one land mass, if there was and there were no high mountains or deep oceans, then there is enough water in the seas to cover the earth  with 400 feet of water.

Hi John
Thanks for your post your most probably right about the flood I jest have difficultly with the God of Love destroying every living thing either by fire or water so I look for alternatives.
So why dose God want  to destroy animals they have not done anything evil they only live by instinct only mankind can commit evil acts.
God only wants to destroy evil in us not us he Loves us Christ died for us and for them before Noah so nearly all those before Noah where not righteous but the neither are we but we are forgiven we are clothed with the righteousness of Christ can they also be clothed with Christ.

Our Lord said to the woman at the well

Joh 4:14  But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Did this water exist before Noah I think so the water is the word of God and Christ is the word,
is there a flood going on now as the water of the word wells up and overflows to others as it spreads over the earth.

Serenity said
How would a flood of God's spirit destroy the world ?

I think anything imperfect in God's spirit would cease to exist, be destroyed.  Darkness cannot dwell in light.

Flipping it to Revelations, like the kingdom coming down to earth, all imperfection will be destroyed.
- See more at:;quote=55619;topic=8771.16#postmodify   

Hi Serenity
Thanks for your post I think it all boils down to what God means by destroy I believe I was destroyed at baptism I died to be reborn we are told in revelations our Lord will destroy with the sword of his mouth which is the word of God I can#t see this sword killing anyone physicaly can you.
May be the flood of Noah was a form of baptism and all those who died in the flood will be reborn at the resurrection.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2016, 05:02:26 PM »
Not heard that idea before about the flood dave, though did have me think of Ephesians where it speaks of Jesus descending before ascending as to fill the whole universe, leading captives free...though I think its debated whom these 'captives' are that are led free.


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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2016, 02:07:09 AM »
I find it strange that God was preached from Seth up until Noah yet Noah

Hi @davetaff

Could I interupt by asking "what scripture indictates that "God was only preached from Seth til Noah ? "

In fact I would suggest that God testifies and preaches [because that is who He is] and always has been "even before Adam and Eve or even before  creation [as " He testified and preached in the heaven/heavens  where He was and is to the angelic host" [before time and after time]

He cannot be anything else but The WORD that tesifies and preaches [not just in the limited written Word] bound by us and our lifes [thus I would suggest we can and have bound the Word of God to our own understanding "as the pharisees did" and will

Thus I would suggest that "God poured out His "Word" before creation and during the flood satan rebelled and fell from a "chosen state" ? Ezekiel 28:14

Thus he was saved "but no longer chosen"

Satan  was a  chosen Cherubim, yet he was saved [From  death ? Nay from the lake of fire - [temporal salvation]  by being flung down to the earth [God's footstool] Luke 10:18;

Ummm saved but no longer chosen or ordained  /annointed ?

Here even God cannot save satan [he the chosen one was saved @francis drake #salvation]


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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2016, 03:55:13 AM »
Matthew 19:26 - now view Luke 1:37; For no word from God will ever fail."

This is an eternal Word of God - not limited by us or time -  it is based on God's nature [who He is]

The only option here in understanding "chosen" yet saved and unchosen is the spiritual difference between those born and those never born [for how can an angel be "born again" ?

Yet a word from God can fail [as it did with the flood]

As it seems God cannot overcome human will......nor angelic will.

So how will the new earth be different God pours down His flood upon the new earth ? [after temporal life] as we know it


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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2016, 04:04:08 AM »
Thus I suggest that satan is and was saved and chosen

what do you make of this using OT and NT scripture ?


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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2016, 04:22:13 AM »
And so lets twist things even further [the slippery serpent] by  asking

Will satan be on the new earth ? [if  not then he could never have been chosen or saved ......[[yet he is and was chosen and saved and anointed]

You see : satan and his myriads survived the food

.....were saved from !

Yet they are to perish [along with satan being never "Born again" as they never lived in flesh [yet those wholived in flesh will perish alongside their paraclete]

how do you make sense of this ?

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2016, 07:06:20 AM »
Hi Davetaff,
                        To major on just one characteristic of God distorts our understanding of God. What about the Holiness of God? A Holiness that views our ?little white lies? as an obscenity screamed in his face.
I understand that it can be difficult to accept what God has done and sometimes the only answer we can have is ?I don?t know?, but one thing we can never do is to assume it was a mistake or an error.
God is perfect in his knowledge and justice.
Why did God destroy all living things. Firstly animals have only the breath of life, they do not have a soul, only man is described as being a living soul. Second you say they had done nothing wrong. Yet God in his wisdom, justice and mercy chose to destroy them.
All those who God has chosen to save will be saved from Adam all the way to the last person living, none of Gods chosen will be lost.
Davetaff, the whole point of the incident at the well was to show that worship is in spirit and in truth, where, how and with what we worship doesn?t matter compared to who we are worshipping and provided it is with all that we are.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2016, 07:09:22 AM »
           How did God's word fail in the flood?
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