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TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #224 on: July 19, 2016, 01:50:16 AM »
Some might see you now as implying that "Israel was a type of Christ"

This causes problems in many minds in that Israel was Judged by Christ and none walked into the promised land.

Its the simple analogy and the simple [antitype] it's the simple shadows all linking together that cause the problem here.

Because "in this analogy - you are letting some of Christ into the prromised land but not all of Him.

It is the taking of metaphors and shadows too far [which causes the problem here]

You see the killing of all infants under a certain age was of an evil source - whereas the raising of Christ from the dead was of "God"




TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #225 on: July 19, 2016, 01:56:22 AM »
Now do not get me wrong here

there is no motive behind my posting

I am simply encouraging you to let go  of these very simple links and to see "how other people view things"

be encouraged [as you a great asset here]

And I am learning  from you  :D

TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #226 on: July 19, 2016, 02:29:44 AM »
Now taking this further "if I am permitted" and if you broaden your mind /tent/scope/

It is the struggle within a person - eg: Romans 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do ...

Some sources are not always from God... [as I am like an ariel permitting some voices and disallowing others]

"I have a choice as to which radio station I listen too ?"

I have a choice as to what motivates me ?"

Do I listen to King Herod or Pharoah or do I submit to God's voice /channel

After my choice it may be that I murder innocent children under the authority of the King of my land [not chosen by God]

Or I submit to God - I can choose "which yoke - I permit.

Now would I permit a yoke of slavery as a child of God - "yes" I can as I am a child of God  [under His permissive Will]

[as did Israel "chosen of God/who is Christ] living under the "ariel" of Pharoah or herod  or any other King [depending in which time you lived in]

It's basically about what authority you permit into your life.

And so the evil source of "Herod permitted that children be put to death - but the soveriegn will of God's authority permitted /authorised - Jesus to live [the same as Pharoah and his killings "under the authority of satan /source]








TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #227 on: July 19, 2016, 02:47:40 AM »
Now you see how people can be [misdirected/deceived.]

I could say that "hitler and his rule was a shadow [not being included in the bible] was a shadow of "the death of Jesus"

Does it now mean that hitler and all his followers "never existed because they were never written about in biblical history ?"

Of course not....

The spirit behind hitler was from an evil source - yet many chose to follow him .

Yet he was not "of God" and was no shadow...

[yet just because the Holy Spirit did not inspire men to write about him] does that default other examples "of people following authorities in scripture ?"

9 hope you get my drift and I am now signing out [as I've had a long day ]

Gbu TJ








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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #228 on: July 19, 2016, 06:57:36 AM »

[as did Israel "chosen of God/who is Christ] living under the "ariel" of Pharoah or herod  or any other King [depending in which time you lived in]


Interesting choice of words, see link below;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_(angel)

For some reason the link does not seem to be working, despite copy and paste, basically it was a link to Ariel in wikepedia, the start of which reads 'Ariel (Hebrew: אריאל, Ari'el, Arael or Ariael‎‎) is an archangel found primarily in Jewish and Christian mysticism and Apocrypha. The name Ariel, "Lion of God" or "Hearth of God," occurs in the Hebrew Bible but as the name of an angel the earliest source is unclear.' Although there is more interesting info' there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_(angel

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #229 on: July 19, 2016, 02:47:26 PM »
Hi TJ
Not to sure about what your saying bit like a cryptic crossword clue i did pick up on this you said.
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Some might see you now as implying that "Israel was a type of Christ" 

I'm not implying it that's what i am saying that Israel is a foreshadowing of Christ take the day of atonement for example when the high priest entered the holy of hollies he took of all his ceremonial clothing and put on simple attire this shows that one must humble oneself as Christ did.
And Christ entered into the real Holy of Hollies to sit at the right hand of God.

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Because "in this analogy - you are letting some of Christ into the promised land but not all of Him.
   
You seam to have a problem with this they were refused entry because the grumbled and moaned and disobeyed God so they died of old age in the wilderness but it dose not mean they are lost for ever  there will be a resurrection.

there is another foreshadowing here when God created Adam he put him in the garden of Eden when God created Israel he put them in a land flowing with milk and honey I see both of these as a form of paradise and both of these are a foreshadowing of the real paradise when God creates the new heaven and earth as I have said before creation is an ongoing process not something that was finished thousands of years ago.

Love and Peace
Dave

   

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #230 on: July 20, 2016, 12:55:54 AM »
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Not to sure about what your saying bit like a cryptic crossword clue

haha - is'nt that just like the bible or listening to God speaking through a person ?

I have a major problem with linking things due to [a type of ] Dyslexia - but it is linking places and names.

I used to be awful [when typing fast it all comes out back to front and I have to go back over it all]

Even in eastbourne which I driven around for years [at times I get lost and panic ?]

Outisde of the areas that I know - I get completely lost [because I cannot link things together]

You see now why visions are my greatest strength [in the Lord] see :  https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-58770,00.html

You now see why God uses me in the word of knowledge [because I simply cannot link things together [my weakness is His strength]

I used to be terrible loinking names to people [however things are getting better as I go on]

[in my early days] I can remember having panic attacks because I simply did not know where I was

[Now you can see how scripture helps me to link things together [although it is more than this - I think @Primrose understamds the Father link]

I'm still waiting for a van that will enable me to use a satnav  :D

You know the way I learnt from God [the early days ] was to go to every event possible and although I never really understood most of what was spoken ....."I would go away from those meetings with lessons learnt or with just one pocket of information [that one things that God had spoken to me about] all the rest of it was like a cryptic crossword...

You can imagine "how many meetings I had gone too [to begin to comprehend  the word]

But slowly things begin to link together and things began to make sense ...

Is'nt that just what it is like -  for others ?

Unless of course you are one of those who has to understand and comprehend everything first / before you commit yourself.

I'm afraid I am one of those who see's life like as encrypted ...






https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-58770,00.html

TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #231 on: July 20, 2016, 12:58:08 AM »
Hi TJ
Not to sure about what your saying bit like a cryptic crossword clue i did pick up on this you said.
I'm not implying it that's what i am saying that Israel is a foreshadowing of Christ take the day of atonement for example when the high priest entered the holy of hollies he took of all his ceremonial clothing and put on simple attire this shows that one must humble oneself as Christ did.
And Christ entered into the real Holy of Hollies to sit at the right hand of God.
You seam to have a problem with this they were refused entry because the grumbled and moaned and disobeyed God so they died of old age in the wilderness but it dose not mean they are lost for ever  there will be a resurrection.

there is another foreshadowing here when God created Adam he put him in the garden of Eden when God created Israel he put them in a land flowing with milk and honey I see both of these as a form of paradise and both of these are a foreshadowing of the real paradise when God creates the new heaven and earth as I have said before creation is an ongoing process not something that was finished thousands of years ago.

Love and Peace
Dave

   

Ahh there you see - you picked up on a few points and others may well "have seen other points"

See you are being blinded by the Light [as it is all about what you see at any one time]

And that is how you get your direction with God [not by knowing all things - but by picking up things "by using the Lamp / a day /step / at a time]

BTW - I agree with most of what you say / but [not everyone will see what you see]

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