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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #192 on: July 03, 2016, 07:57:03 AM »
Hi All
The job of the High Priest in the OT was to act as a 'go-between': to represent God to the people and to intercede for the people before God.  All the ceremonial law - the rites, robes, rituals, sacrifices - was to make this possible.  But Heb 10:1 says that the law was only a shadow of the good things that were to come. 

The moral law (ten commandments) showed us God's standards and how far short of them we fall.  So it taught us WHY we (sinful people) can't access God (holy)directly.

Then the ceremonial law gave us a temporary means of accessing God (through the rituals and with the High Priest as our representative). It taught us HOW to access God - a picture of what was necessary.  But it also showed that the sacrifice of animals were inadequate and had to be repeated day after day.  It reminded us of our sinfulness but couldn't take it away. 

The stage was set, like in a thrilling drama.  The whole OT was like a giant picture story to make us realise we needed a permanent solution to the separation between us and God.

Then at the right time, God provided the 'permanent solution' by the sacrifice of his own Son Jesus. All the ceremonial law had been pointing towards this time.  Jesus 'did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves, but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, so obtaining eternal redemption' (Heb 9:12). 

This passage goes on to say 'For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised inheritance - now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant'. He is our great High Priest and the only mediator we need between us and God.

Of course we still get it wrong all the time - we are still sinful and there are times when we still think we know best and can manage on our own!  But one of my favourite verses explains that Christ's sacrifice has made us perfectly acceptable in God's eyes (because he sees us through Jesus) so we can come freely into God's presence despite the fact that we are still working (through God's grace) on becoming better people (to use an old-fashioned word, becoming 'holy').  "By one sacrifice, Jesus has made perfect for ever those who are being made holy" (Heb 10:14).  He's amazing and I love him!

Blessings
Kim


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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #193 on: July 03, 2016, 02:54:19 PM »
Hi Kim
a very good post enjoyed reading it gives a good description of what our high priest  dose for us.
I would like to add something about the high priests clothing.

  Exo 28:4  And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.

This reminds me of what St Paul had to say.

Eph 6:13  Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14  Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15  And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16  Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17  And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

 loins girt about with truth, Aaron's girdle.
 breastplate of righteousness or 1Th 5:8  But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

The helmet of salvation equivalent to Aaron's mitre.

All these things come from Christ he will clothe us with all we need  to resist the devil.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #194 on: July 03, 2016, 03:59:52 PM »
Hi Dave

Another great post, thanks!  I've never connected the High Priest's clothing with the armour of God before - much food for thought.

Also the ephod/breastpiece contained 12 gemstones, each engraved with the name of one of the 12 tribes of Israel (Ex 39:14), to symbolize how the High Priest represented all the people before God.  Similarly our great High Priest Jesus "lives forever to intercede on behalf of those who come to God through him" (Heb 7:25). And according to Rev 2:17 believers will one day be given a white stone with a new name engraved on it, though I don't fully understand what this new name signifies.  Any ideas anyone?

May God encourage and bless us as we search the OT to understand more about Christ.  There is so much in there!

Kim

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #195 on: July 03, 2016, 04:07:34 PM »
Hi TJ

Not sure which Jeroboam you mean, but if he turned away he sounds more like a 'type' of you and me than a type of the antichrist!  We all turn away at times ... but it's what we do THEN that matters!  There are plenty of examples in both OT and NT (and today!) of folk who turn away but then come to their senses and turn back again - and God welcomes us back like the prodigal father!

Blessings
Kim

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #196 on: July 04, 2016, 02:40:41 PM »
Hi Dave

Another great post, thanks!  I've never connected the High Priest's clothing with the armour of God before - much food for thought.

Also the ephod/breastpiece contained 12 gemstones, each engraved with the name of one of the 12 tribes of Israel (Ex 39:14), to symbolize how the High Priest represented all the people before God.  Similarly our great High Priest Jesus "lives forever to intercede on behalf of those who come to God through him" (Heb 7:25). And according to Rev 2:17 believers will one day be given a white stone with a new name engraved on it, though I don't fully understand what this new name signifies.  Any ideas anyone?

May God encourage and bless us as we search the OT to understand more about Christ.  There is so much in there!

Kim

Hi Kim
Interesting about the gem stones they were carried on his chest you could say on his Heart depicting his Love for his people, it's wonderful to know we have a High priest in heaven who intercedes for us with the father.

Not to sure about the white stone

 Rev 2:17  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

I think the hidden manna maybe the body of Christ he did say he was the bread of heaven it may mean we come to a full knowledge of Christ and the father.
the white stone of course no one knows the name that will be written on it  I wonder if he mite change the name Israel,
 Jacob got that name when he struggled with God all night and prevailed and of course Israel has struggled with God all through history but God will prevail.

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Dave
Dose the overcometh above mean overcometh evil.   

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #197 on: July 05, 2016, 01:53:14 AM »
Hi TJ

Not sure which Jeroboam you mean, but if he turned away he sounds more like a 'type' of you and me than a type of the antichrist!  We all turn away at times ... but it's what we do THEN that matters!  There are plenty of examples in both OT and NT (and today!) of folk who turn away but then come to their senses and turn back again - and God welcomes us back like the prodigal father!

Blessings
Kim

Jeroboam is mentioned in 1 Kings 22:52 and  2 Kings 14:24 and he was a servant of King Solomon...
 
King Solomon [ son of David - using his wisdom ] promoted Jeroboam over the labor force of the tribes of Joseph
1 Kings 11:28. [does'nt this remind you of Joseph and his rising up in the ranks ? an anti type]

Jeroboam had been promised blessings from God as a King IF he followed the Lord  -  1 Kings 11:38 [the real King "remember we are kings"



Now look at the prophecy [prophetic action]  1 Kings 11:30 [it seems Jeroboam diod not follow God and never went back to God - in fact he led God's Chosen away from Him]

 Now look at the actions of Solomon as he tries to kill  Jeroboam....1 Kings 11:40 Solomon tried to kill Jeroboam, but
Jeroboam fled to Egypt, to Shishak the king, and stayed there until Solomon's death.
[thus Jeroboam was a man in exile-
as was Moses - an "anti type] and here King solomon lost his kingship [did he lose his Kingship ?] oooOOO  Solomon tried to kill Jeroboam ? is'nt that against God's will ? and commandments ? [yet another sin against God - by the man seen as Chosen and "born again" [is'nt this just CHAOS ?} see : 1 Corinthians 14:33


You might now see "David - Solomon - Jeroboam - and Moses in the same category [saved - born again or chosen] people after
God's heart ? mmm [am I saved by my actions and responses or by God]

Now compare this with the action prophecy in 1 Samuel 15:27: and see how Jeroboam rebelled aginst God making himself
idols of worship
- thus leading all those chosen by God [Israel] away from their King]

So Jeroboam  ruled the ten tribes of Israel and God turned against him  1 Kings 13:34.

So should we associate the OT with the Nt ? [as the one seems to be about observance whereas the other seems to be about God's observance"

As it seems Moses is "born again" yet Jeroboam and Saul are rejected" by God ? .....Matthew 18:6:


Now go to King David ...mm no - go to Revelation 2:17 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the
churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give that person a white
stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it.



This takes us to personal covennants  [As God make a personal covenant [conditional] with Jeroboam in 1 Kings 11:38] - hahah  - naa - lets forget about covenants and see Jesus in the OT   :D

Umm hold on... conditional individual covenants ? ....conditional Prophecies ? REALLY ....

this maybe is why some of  Israel are saved yet not God's ?  mm rewnds me of Matthew 7:22:

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'





TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #198 on: July 05, 2016, 02:40:16 AM »
And so we see that personal covenants matter. [whatever covenant we live under]

We also see how "prophecies are ended"

And although Jeroboam seemed to be the right choice.... [as was God's choice of King Saul] it was a conditional covenant. [within a covenant] and so God destroyed Jeroboam 1 Kings 13:34.]


Sorry theres a lot of stuff packed into the last two posts - so you will have to read them slowly

It seems as though things are more complex than scripture portrays and although we can use biblical principles, we cannot use personal instances in the bible as a way of portraying our own salvation or path - as each individual has their own free will and walk [even though they can be used as anti types and in typology /being metaphors or shadows of.

Therefore the use of scripture only gives us a guide and launchpad and is the basics of learning about God.

Therefore I would suggest we do not use scripture against things we do not understand





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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #199 on: July 05, 2016, 03:42:24 AM »
And so @kim I would suggest the parable of the prodigal son... is a parable.

It is a picture about those in a Jewish family - now conveying a message to those not within a Jewish family  or within.

How can a prodigal return to his father when he never returns ?

So in this metaphor/image/picture/ in which we now relate too [as lost children] in this day and age [a million mileds away from the Jewish family]

The Husband waits for the Bride ..she is always late .....

No this is not the way or the Truth - in fact the wife waits for the Husband [as in the Jewish wedding] and as in scripture.

He is  late returning and He is the One who says, who is saved "born again"

Not all who return to the Father are "The Fathers"

Not all who are in the banquet are welcomed Matthew 22:12;

Therefore not all those who return in this parable/metaphor/image/ are welcomed by the Father.

And so I go back to emphasising the story of the King called Jeroboam and his non returning and exile

And this is why we should not take a parable/metaphor/symbol/picture/ too  far - because those exiled "as per exiled to babylon were those svaed by God and those returning to God" whereas the exiled here - re : Jeroboam were indeed exiled for good and never returned.