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Offline David St Ives

Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #176 on: June 27, 2016, 08:33:49 PM »
I know who Jesus is because he lives in me. I've received the holy spirit. I don't need anyone else to confirm that. When I pray, I feel the spirit with great strength. Only those with spirit would understand. I've used it to good effect. I once had a teenage girl jumping in the room after I prayed for her to receive the gift. She was genuinely changed. I could give you many more examples.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #177 on: June 28, 2016, 12:51:00 AM »
Hi David and welcome
I don' t think I can agree with the above I seams to go against what our lord had to say.

 Mat 5:17  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The Law tells us what sin is although we are not under the law but under grace we can still break the law and become sinners the only difference is we can have forgiveness through his blood.
Our Lord gave us a better way to obey the law.

Mar 12:29  And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30  And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31  And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Mat 5:44  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

So if we Love as we should and as our Lord tells us we comply with all the laws of the old testament and not forgetting.

2Ti 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

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>Hi TJ
jest wondering about these covenants a covenant is an agreement between two parties has to be ratified between both parties I still can't find anything in scripture that would correspond to a covenant between father and son I can find promises God made to his son but I don't think a promise is the same as a covenant could be wrong.
You said in one of your posts that God made a mistake do you mean the creator of the universe and everything in it made a mistake I can't see that as a remote possibility God don't make mistakes every thing he dose has a purpose we may not understand it but it is not a mistake.


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Hi Kim
Liked you posts good read

Love and Peace
Dave

   

Well there are many scriptures which deal with [before or at the foundations of the world] one of them being this covenant metoned in Genesis 3:21 The LORD God made garments of skin ...

In scripture we go from the edenic covenant to the adamic covenant / but some strange thing jumps in between these two covenants.

Suddenly a sacrifice is made ...

The bible does not mention the word "Trinity" but we see many examples of the Trinity throughout the bible..

The bible does not mention anything about this strange covenant either yet see many examples throughout the bible where God's people/individuals are evidently "God's" !



I cannot see how a covenant cannot be agreed on between the Trinity - after all is'nt that how "all covenants begin  ?.. before being shared with the chosen people/persons ?"

Maybe I am wrong / if I am then I am misleading you [but remember you cannot rebuke me too harshly as I am old  old:]




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You said in one of your posts that God made a mistake do you mean the creator of the universe and everything in it made a mistake

Did I ? Could you quote me please



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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #178 on: June 28, 2016, 02:06:59 AM »
Also tell me @davetaff

Regarding the New Covenant - was not this an agreement between the Son and the Father ?

And whom is it shared ?

This takes us to personal covenants and the breaking of .....

As each of us break covenants..... [or are prone too]




TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #179 on: June 28, 2016, 02:14:17 AM »
I am almost tempted to go back too - this eternal covenant  and be like Adam and Eve , dying yet being saved from the second death

Living in this perfect communion with God now and having all authority over God's creation......

BUIT now To be honest "it seems as though I am still under the Adamic curse [which includes death and toil]  whatever covenant I am under and where ever I lived  and at whatever time I lived in History.

As even under the new covenant I still face death and toil....I would rather live like Adam and Eve did - yet be protected by the blood of the eternal covenant.  @kim










TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #180 on: June 28, 2016, 02:27:49 AM »
It does seem however that  Abraham was justified by what He did.

And his beleiving Genesis 15:6 hence my confusing post earlier on about "belief"

Not sure how a person can be made righteous by believing unless he too was saved by the eternal covenant and not by "circumcision"

It is almost like the new covenant began before creation ! [maybe that is what we should call it ]

Ephesians 1:4 - 1 Peter 1:20 - Romans 8:29 - Ephesians 1:5 - Romans 8:14;


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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #181 on: June 28, 2016, 02:30:14 PM »
Hi TJ
This is a quote from what you said in a earlier post so what was Gods mistake one old:to another old:

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So this is the end of humanity and somewhere - God made a mistake !

Now the Adamic covenant is the result of that mistake....
 

I was reading Hebrews this morning and came across this section

Heb 6:13  For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
Heb 6:14  Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
Heb 6:15  And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
Heb 6:16  For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
Heb 6:17  Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

Is this a covenant with Abraham or is it God Promise of what God will do for him and his descendants I can't find anything that says Abraham agreed to any conditions in the same vain Adam did not agree to not eat of the tree of knowledge.

I know who Jesus is because he lives in me. I've received the holy spirit. I don't need anyone else to confirm that. When I pray, I feel the spirit with great strength. Only those with spirit would understand. I've used it to good effect. I once had a teenage girl jumping in the room after I prayed for her to receive the gift. She was genuinely changed. I could give you many more examples.

Hi David
I believe what you say and I'm happy for you but don't forget there are different gifts of the spirit we don't all have the same gift there are those who drink milk and those who eat meat use your gift to build up you weaker brothers and sister in the Lord.

Love and Peace
Dave   

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #182 on: June 29, 2016, 12:51:28 AM »
Of course God does not make mistakes.

That's my point.

God could have destroyed Adam and Eve  but  instead He made a sacrifice for them.

He must have already put an eternal plan in place - maybe knowing what would happen.

If He did not know what would happen then He would not be God would He ?

TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #183 on: June 29, 2016, 12:56:02 AM »
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Is this a covenant with Abraham or is it God Promise

Genesis 15:18?21 On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates--