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Offline Seeker

Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #136 on: June 25, 2016, 05:30:52 PM »
Not sure if it just coincidence, but almost immediately after clicking on one of the above links I got virus alerts.

Offline kim

Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #137 on: June 26, 2016, 10:27:33 AM »
Hi All

Thanks for the warning about viruses - I decided to look under my cushion instead, as TJ suggested!  There was a note there that said God's covenants with both Abraham and David were unconditional and therefore eternal.

Ok I lied about the cushion.  I actually found it on www.freebiblecommentary.org and quote it below:

"It is difficult to sort out the different "eternal" covenants because, as Hebrews shows, the Mosaic covenant was conditional and because of human weakness, not eternal. The OT records conditional and unconditional covenants (i.e., the Exodus, Gen. 15:17-21).
The covenant with Abraham, whereby all the nations would be blessed, is unconditional (i.e., everlasting covenant), and thereby, eternal (cf. Genesis 17:7,13,19; Psalm 105:9-10).
The covenant with David, first revealed in 2 Samuel 7, is a foreshadowing of the Messiah, son of David, which is unconditional, and thereby, eternal (cf. Ps. 89:3-4).
The new covenant is mentioned as a promised new day of righteousness (new age of the Spirit) for God's people (cf. Isa. 55:3; 59:21; 61:8; Jer. 31:33; 32:40; 50:5; Ezek. 16:60; 37:26).
One can see how the Jews of Jesus' day were shocked at His message. He had always been God's plan of redemption, but the failure of Israel to keep God's law given to Moses showed the need of another way of salvation than human performance (cf. Galatians 3).

With thanks to the above site.  Interesting reading for my homework until my book on the covenants gets here ...

Blessings
Kim



Offline kim

Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #138 on: June 26, 2016, 11:46:10 AM »
PS

Just studying some of the above ... I notice in Gen 17:14 men could be cut off from the Abrahamic covenant by failing to be circumcised. Does this mean that the Abrahamic covenant was conditional on people's obedience after all?  In which case, the covenant was only 'eternal' in the sense that God would always offer it to us, even though we could never keep our side of the agreement.  So it was based on obedience not grace?  Hmmm, back to the drawing board ...

TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #139 on: June 26, 2016, 05:31:29 PM »
I checked the links before hand - I can't  find any warnings.

I,ll take the links off anyway


TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #140 on: June 26, 2016, 07:49:20 PM »
No the Abrahamic Covenant was unconditional, kim..

It was God promising to Abraham regardless of what he did   :D

TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #141 on: June 26, 2016, 07:50:09 PM »
Unlike the Edenic Covenant

Offline kim

Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #142 on: June 26, 2016, 07:53:49 PM »
PPS

Hey, I've just found the answer to my own question (about how people were saved before Christ came).  It's in Romans 3:25-26.  I haven't worked out yet how to get this site to print the quote automatically (told you I was a bit of a technophobe) so I'll type it out from my NLT translation:

"This sacrifice [of Jesus] shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time."

If I'm understanding this correctly, that means the people of the Old Testament times (both Jews and non-Jews) can be saved through the death of Jesus, just as we can be today.  Which I guess makes perfect sense, since God is outside of time anyway, and knew from the beginning what he was going to do to offer to rescue us.  Everyone's included in his grace and mercy, unless they choose to refuse it.  He's an amazing God.  Praise his name!

Blessings
Kim

TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #143 on: June 26, 2016, 07:58:48 PM »
Yes also look up the "covenant of redemption"  [I call it the eternal covenant , which probably confuses people]