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TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #128 on: June 23, 2016, 12:56:33 AM »
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Hi TJ
Sorry but I have trouble understanding what your trying to say can you interpret please.

It is symbolic language used in revelation 7:4 the ephraim and Dan tribes are missing plus Manasseh has been added.

I'm not sure if 144 000 is a literal number.


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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #129 on: June 23, 2016, 01:09:39 AM »
Hi Everyone
Just wondering - Dave quite rightly pointed out in his last post the similarities between Israel and the church, in that both started with good intentions but couldn't keep it up.  But if Israel has no access to grace, only the penalties prescribed by the law, how come God forgave King David for committing murder and adultery? And I seem to remember one of the later kings (was it Hezekiah?) had his punishment of death rescinded because he repented.  And the nation of Nineveh repented when Jonah finally warned then and God spared them.  I'm sure there must be lots more examples.  It seems God was a merciful God all along, although it does seem a bit 'arbitrary' in the Old Testament - some folk were treated quite harshly whilst others were shown mercy!  But grace certainly seems to have been available pre-Christ? 
Still musing ...
Kim

I suppose it depends  which covenant they lived under - under  the edenic covenant "obey or disobey" you had a choice, [is'nt that the same now ?]

Adam and Eve once disobeyed that law - they can be said to have died a [spiritual death] and physical death yet saved from the second death. [being covered in the blood]
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« Reply #130 on: June 23, 2016, 08:34:20 AM »
Thanks TJ.  Funnily enough I ordered a book on the different covenants a few weeks ago - when it finally arrives, I might understand all this better!  If it gives me any great insights I'll be sure to share them!
Blessings
Kim

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #131 on: June 23, 2016, 02:50:36 PM »
It is symbolic language used in revelation 7:4 the ephraim and Dan tribes are missing plus Manasseh has been added.

I'm not sure if 144 000 is a literal number.

Hi TJ
Thanks I think it is a literal number until  I find scripture to indicate otherwise. As for Ephraim and Manasseh where they not counted as half tribe to replace the sons of Reuben, I think Ephraim would be counted with Joseph and Manasseh would replace Dan who was an idolater. 

 1Ch 5:1  Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.

Again we have a mirror image in the NT Judas was rejected when he betrayed our Lord the apostles chose another to take his place and our Lord chose St Paul.

Hi Kim
Thanks for your post Good questions I think if we go to God and truly repent he will forgive even those of the OT after all he is the God of love.

Love and Peace
Dave     

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« Reply #132 on: June 24, 2016, 02:22:05 PM »
Giving it some thought, I think whatever covenant we live under - there is a covenant made before time and it breaks all other covenants

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Hebrews 13:20) The Eternal Covenant, then, leads to the Covenant of Grace. Where the Eternal Covenant was made between the Father and the Son so too there is Grace

http://faithq.co.uk/index.php/component/content/article?id=70:what-is-the-eternal-covenant


http://faithq.co.uk/index.php/component/content/article?id=70:what-is-the-eternal-covenant

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #133 on: June 24, 2016, 05:15:21 PM »
Giving it some thought, I think whatever covenant we live under - there is a covenant made before time and it breaks all other covenants


http://faithq.co.uk/index.php/component/content/article?id=70:what-is-the-eternal-covenant

Hi TJ
Was not the everlasting covenant made with Abraham.

Gen 17:6  And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Gen 17:7  And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen 17:8  And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

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Dave

http://faithq.co.uk/index.php/component/content/article?id=70:what-is-the-eternal-covenant

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #134 on: June 25, 2016, 12:09:20 AM »
Hi TJ
Was not the everlasting covenant made with Abraham.

Gen 17:6  And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Gen 17:7  And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen 17:8  And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Love and Peace
Dave


Thats the Abrahamic Covenant between God and man.

The eternal covenant was between the God head

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #135 on: June 25, 2016, 03:00:47 PM »
Hi Tj
Where in scripture will I find this  eternal covenant can't seam to locate it.

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Dave