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TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #104 on: June 18, 2016, 12:17:17 AM »
Well the Zechariah 12:10 scripture ties in with Revelation 1:7 [cross reference]

Revelation 1:7  Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all
 peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen.


But how can they look on Him they pierced, when "it was the Roman soldiers who pierced Jesus's side ?

Rather it might be read as "they shall look on Him, they who pierced Him with their sin"

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #105 on: June 18, 2016, 12:52:58 AM »
We see that David was only a King because of God's Grace [chosen through Samuel]

David wants to build God a house 1 Chronicles 22:7; but this was for solomon to build.

Again we see God's Grace to solomon ? 1 Chronicles 28:5"Of all my sons (for the LORD has given me many sons), He has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel. 6"He said to me, 'Your son Solomon is the one who shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be a son to Me, and I will be a father to him. 7'I will establish his kingdom forever if he resolutely performs My commandments and My ordinances, as is done now



So why did God see favour/Grace  with David and Solomon - yet rejected/rejects people like  Saul ?  1 Samuel 16:7;

I suppose it's a bit like the comparison between the "rich young ruler in the New Testament and Zacchaeus the tax collector"

We have to ask "If Saul  lost his Kingship - did he also lose his salvation ? and then people respond by saying "was he ever "saved / born again"

Well he was chosen by God [through Samuel]







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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #106 on: June 18, 2016, 01:08:15 AM »
This brings us to the well known verse of Matthew 22:14 "For many are invited, but few are chosen."


So the whole of Israel is called - but few respond.  [as in] -  James 1:22

It can be compared to "those destroyed and those exiled in babylon"

OR "You receive an invite to a wedding and it is your choice to respond to it or ignore it"

Some might respond to it and actually go to the wedding and the banquet  , but it is God who puts on the wedding robes"  Matthew 22:12; And he said to him, ?Friend, how did you get in here without a wedding garment?? And he was speechless.

We can compare this to the Church now and the gentiles grafted in. @davetaff and @kim and Guest







TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #107 on: June 18, 2016, 01:12:40 AM »
You see : their are some who want to build their own houses for God to live in [like David - representing Israel] - [a type of Christ - typology]

Now go to :  Psalm 127:1; A song of ascents. Of Solomon. Unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain. Unless the LORD watches over the city, the guards stand watch in vain.


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TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #108 on: June 18, 2016, 01:35:03 AM »
So why should the human heart be bigger than God's Grace ?


TJ

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #109 on: June 18, 2016, 01:45:06 AM »
Here is the answer in

1 John 3:20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

Confusing is'nt it ?

See:  1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.


So now I stop and let you catch   up............

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #110 on: June 18, 2016, 02:54:02 PM »
Hi Dave
Thanks for your post - I love the definition of grace - it still brings me out in a tingle of excitement even after nearly 30 years as a Christian!
Just had another thought on this question of how the OT Jews could be saved before Christ's death - 1 Peter 3:19-20 says Christ went and preached to them 'after being made alive in the spirit' after his death.  I've never been quite sure what to make of this - seems like maybe they got a second chance to respond now that the full revelation of God's plan of salvation had been revealed?  I suppose the passage you quoted from Zechariah could refer to this occasion or to the future.  It does say somewhere that 'all Israel will be saved' though- in which case it must include those alive now, so that would fit with the idea of it being during the millennial reign of Christ. Hmmm, more food for thought!  I'm pleased I found this site - am enjoying the challenge of getting the cog wheels in my brain turning again!
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Kim

Hi Kim
I take it you are referring to this passage.

 1Pe 3:19  By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20  Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Was it not the sons of God that went into the daughters of men that this refers to were they not kept locked away being they were spiritual beings they could not be killed like humans that's why I think it say's spirits in prison.

As for a second chance yes I believe everyone will have an opportunity to hear the gospel and make a choice there are millions of people who have never heard of Christ surely they must have that chance.
Of course there are millions who have heard of Christ and rejected it I believe these will be in the second resurrection not sure what there fate will be but I like to think they will have a second chance.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #111 on: June 18, 2016, 06:44:37 PM »
This brings us to the well known verse of Matthew 22:14 "For many are invited, but few are chosen."


So the whole of Israel is called - but few respond.  [as in] -  James 1:22

It can be compared to "those destroyed and those exiled in babylon"

OR "You receive an invite to a wedding and it is your choice to respond to it or ignore it"

Some might respond to it and actually go to the wedding and the banquet  , but it is God who puts on the wedding robes"  Matthew 22:12; And he said to him, ?Friend, how did you get in here without a wedding garment??

Hi TJ
I have a different  interpretations of

Matthew 22:14
14 For many are fcalled, but few are fchosen.

I believe it means that few are chosen by God for example Moses David the prophets Christ chose his disciples through all those who are chosen many are called all those who are called have a freewill  choice  either  to accept or reject the gospel message.

As for Israel's first three kings I think they represent  a picture of God's plan of creation Saul represents  Israel who was rejected for disobedience David would represent  Christ at his first coming and Solomon Christ at his second coming the priest king over God's house.

Love and Peace
Dave

And he was speechless.







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