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Genesis and the OT
« on: March 04, 2016, 02:46:08 PM »
Hi
I get the feeling sometimes that the OT is overlooked so I thought it would be beneficial to take an in depth look with the view of finding Christ among it's pages.
Our Lord said to the two disciples on the road to Emmaus.

  Luk 24:25  Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26  Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27  And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible so I think a good place to start is Genesis what we are looking for is people and stories that can represent Christ and what we know about his life and death and teachings as we have the in the NT.
I hope this thread will be of help to all those who are looking for answers to questions like is there a God Was Jesus the son of God I think I think the proof to these Questions lie in the OT and I feel they would be a great benefit to new seekers.
I hope as many as possible will help me in this quest Who would like to kick us off.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2016, 03:46:19 PM »
You had me thinking of a series we did on faithwalk a few years back, called Treasure seekers in the Old/New Testament, going through each book in the Bible starting at Genesis and ending in Revelation.  It was to help give people background to the individual book, who wrote it, characters etc...I could post in the study we did for that on Genesis if you like to get it started and work out from that? just let me know I quite happy to do that.

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2016, 04:13:02 PM »
You had me thinking of a series we did on faithwalk a few years back, called Treasure seekers in the Old/New Testament, going through each book in the Bible starting at Genesis and ending in Revelation.  It was to help give people background to the individuals book, who wrote it, characters etc...I could post in the study we did for that on Genesis if you like to get it started and work out from that? just let me know I quite happy to do that.

Hi Serenity
Thanks for your reply I think that would be a great idea somewhere to start I think it could be a big undertaking so I need all the help I can Get.

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Dave

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2016, 05:12:20 PM »
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STUDY ON - THE BOOK OF GENESIS

T R E A S U R E... S E E K E R S ... I N ... T H E ... O L D ... T E S T A M E N T - GENESIS

'Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path......Where your treasure is
there is your heart also'


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TREASURE SEEKERS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

GENESIS

Matthew 6

21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also
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'Treasure seekers' in the Old Testament/in the New Testament is borne, our hearts being in the nutrition of the Bible, focussing on getting to know more about the Word of God.


'Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path'...................this is the line i got, and will be 'Treasure Seekers' motto, i did a search for it and found the psalm:

Psalm119

97 Oh, how I love your law!
I meditate on it all day long.

98 Your commands make me wiser than my enemies,
for they are ever with me.

99 I have more insight than all my teachers,
for I meditate on your statutes.

100 I have more understanding than the elders,
for I obey your precepts.

101 I have kept my feet from every evil path
so that I might obey your word.

102 I have not departed from your laws,
for you yourself have taught me.

103 How sweet are your words to my taste,
sweeter than honey to my mouth!

104 I gain understanding from your precepts;
therefore I hate every wrong path.

105 Your word is a lamp to my feet
and a light for my path.

106 I have taken an oath and confirmed it,
that I will follow your righteous laws.

This reminded me of the study that Guardian did on Psalm1:

1 Blessed is the man
who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked
or stand in the way of sinners
or sit in the seat of mockers.
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
and on his law he meditates day and night.

3 He is like a tree planted by streams of water,
which yields its fruit in season
and whose leaf does not wither.
Whatever he does prospers.

4 Not so the wicked!
They are like chaff
that the wind blows away.

5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.

6 For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked will perish.


This is a kind of meditating on the Word, learning the ways, promises and words of God...this is what i believe God has laid on my heart for Faithwalk, you need to look back at all the 'dreams' and various posts and studies, things people have had over the past 12 months, God has been building this up all of last year, if you put them all together, that will send you on a 'Treasure Hunt' of the forums... He has already given us the building blocks, His plans for 2009! this is putting it all together!

So i pray we all open our hearts and minds to receiving Gods teaching and understanding of His Word, also pray that anything not of God be not planted in your hearts and mind and that they be disregarded....

Let us learn how to meditate on His word, so that it becomes a light unto our path, and that it will hold us upright in His love, He will grant the desires of your hearts, so pray we desire to know Him deeper being brought deeper through His word with understanding and clarity.

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Okay so we will start with the book of Genesis, remember this is just an overview type of study not an in depth one.

The Author of Genesis is Moses......He was born in Egypt, and died in the land of Moab.....which is in modern Jordan at the age of 120

Moses wrote Genesis to the people of Israel....Why would YOU read this book?....

To reflect on the beauty and wonder of God's Creation (Gen 1-2)
Learn how God responds to rebellion against Him (Gen3-11)
Discover how God keeps His Promises (Gen 12-24)
See how God works for good even during bad times (Gen37-50)


..."So God made man like his Maker. Like God did God make man: man and maid did he make them" {1:27}

"God had told Abram?.I will cause you to become the father of a great nation; I will bless you and make your name famous, and you will be a blessing to many others" {12:2,3}

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Lets have a look behind the scenes on Genesis...

The purpose of this book is to record Gods Creation of the world and His desire to have a people set apart to worship Him...also note that in the beginning it puts together Creation and how man came into being, there was a kind of 'restart' with Noah and the flood, where only him and his family survived the flood, then was set to repopulate the earth.

For weeks, you work in art class creating a clay sculpture...you take great care and time detailing this sculpture...you leave it on the Friday, not quite finished just needs the hardening the setting...then after the weekend you go back to it to find that it has been twisted into a chaotic unrecognisable blob, you feel rage and sadness well up in you and then you have to set to starting all over again...

You are probably thinking what has this got to do with Genesis? well Genesis tells you a similar account of God's loving care in creating the world, but the story has a dark twisted side to it, of human rebellion, murder and other human evil as people rebel against God...where they have twisted it into something it wasn't sculptured to be.

Up to about chapter 11 Genesis talks about the beginnings of the world. You will find the well known accounts of Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Noah and the tower of Babel....in each of these accounts, they show you how people twist and/or destroy the gifts that God has given to them, and how God has to 'put that straight'.

Chapters 12 through to the end chapter 50, talks about the beginnings of the Hebrew people...who we know as the Israelites.

You come across Abraham, the father of the nation and his sons...and Genesis concludes with Joseph whom God was able to use for great things even after his brothers had sold him into slavery.

Genesis shows you how God has used special people right from the beginning of Creation to play important roles in the world, world turning/changing  roles.

Some key people in Genesis, the more 'well known': Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham. Sarah, Isaac, Rebekah, Jacob, Joseph

Lets break it down a little more...

A. THE STORY OF CREATION
?Because God created people, we have dignity and worth.?Genesis 1:1-2:3

B. THE STORY OF ADAM {2:4-5:32} (The Tree of Life in Genesis is widely recognised as representative of Jesus)
"Through Adam and Eve we learn about the destructive power of sin and its bitter consequences"

Adam and Eve
Cain and Abel
Adam's descendants

C. THE STORY OF NOAH {6:1-11:32}
"Just as God protected Noah and his family, he protects those who are faithful to him today."

The great flood
Repopulating the earth
The tower of Babel "Pride is making ourselves more important than God".

D. THE STORY OF ABRAHAM {12:1-25:18
"Through sharp testing, Abraham remained faithful to God. Abrahams example teaches us how to live a life of faith".

God promises a nation to Abraham
Abraham and Lot "We are to trust God completely, even if it hurts".

God promises a son to Abraham
Sodom and Gomorrah
Birth and near sacrifice of Isaac
Isaac marries Rebekah
Abraham dies

E. THE STORY OF ISAAC {25:19-28:9}
"Isaac did not resist when he was about to be sacrificed, and he gladly accepted a wife chosen for him by others.
We must put God's will ahead of our own as Isaac did".

Jacob and Esau, Isaac's twin sons
Isaac and King Abimelech
Isaac blesses Jacob instead of Esau

F. THE STORY OF JACOB
{28:10-36:43}
"Although Jacob made many mistakes, his hard work teaches us about living a life of service for our Lord".

Jacob starts a family
Jacob returns home ?God is in the business of changing lives, despite our inadequacies?.

G. THE STORY OF JOSEPH {37:1-50:26
"Through Joseph, we learn that suffering, no matter how unfair, can develop in us a strong character".

Joseph is sold into slavery
Joseph is thrown into jail "God can turn even our greatest defeats into victory".
Joseph is placed in charge of Egypt
Joseph and his brothers meet in Egypt
Jacob's family moves to Egypt
Jacob and Joseph die in Egypt


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That's the end of the overview, we will now look further into a character.  So I chose Noah, there are many characters could have picked, they all would be good including the author, but thought would leave the author to next weeks facilitator!

So we will have a look at Noah ...

Noah was the most innocent person of the time, a good man, he pleased God and walked with God. He had three sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth...

At this time the world was disobedient towards God.  They did what was evil in Gods eyes, they were a violent people.  God saw all of this, as He does all things and knows all things...so God instructed Noah to build an ark, a boat...an ark being representative of Jesus.  Jesus is our ark.

Now Noah's boat would have been humungous for its time...about 108 metres long, the length of one and a half football fields for you to visualise it...that's five times as long as the Mayflower in which the pilgrims sailed to North America in 1620, its more than half as long as a modern 206 metre ocean liner!

God made an agreement with Noah...a covenant...that Noah, his sons, his wife and his sons wives will all go in the boat.  In addition, the animals too so when the flood came, and eventually subsided there would be all the different animals, and humans to repopulate the earth...a second beginning.  With Jesus and the work He did on the earth, in dying, descending, resurrecting and descending, He made a way again for mankind to be reconciled to God, a new beginning with God.


Genesis 7

1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven [a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."5 And Noah did all that the LORD commanded him
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5 And Noah did all that the LORD commanded him...this is a crucial verse!

Noah walked with God, Noah talked with God, Noah listened to God, Noah then obeyed God and did His bidding.
Imagine the mockery he would have had by the locals at the time of building that boat, 'look at that fool over there' but also imagine their reactions to the finished product, and also then when the rains came, saw that Noah was far from a fool!

He was 600 years old when the floods came, he wasn't no spring chicken!

7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month?on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.


By the time that the flood water went down enough for Noah and his family to leave the boat he had turned 601.  After the flood Noah lived 350 years. He lived a total of 950 years, and then he died.  Not quite the oldest in the Old Testament, but very nearly, Methuselah being the oldest ... he lived to be 969 years...which to think about...if he was born when Christopher Colombus discovered the Americas in 1492, he would only be middle aged today!

Genesis 49:10....The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes; And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.




God bless



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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2016, 06:57:51 PM »
Hi
Thanks Serenity good overview lots of good information I'm sure many will benefit by reading it.
I liked the two Psalms you quoted the kind of thing I'm looking for you can find Christ on almost every line good stuff.

So let's make a start .

Colossians 1:16New International Version (NIV)

16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

Here we have the first glimpse of Christ the creater of every thing there is he has been with mankind from the beginning and will be with us to the end.

Isaiah 44:6New International Version (NIV)

The Lord, Not Idols
6 ?This is what the Lord says?
    Israel?s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty:
I am the first and I am the last;
    apart from me there is no God

Love and Peace
Dave

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2016, 11:11:23 AM »
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C. THE STORY OF NOAH {6:1-11:32}
"Just as God protected Noah and his family, he protects those who are faithful to him today."


I really did enjoy reading what you posted Serenity. The above did get me thinking though.

I am aware that God can and does protect us, but always? against everything?

It is also quite clear to me that there is suffering in this world, but the above line did kind of get me wondering. Does God always protect those who are faithful to him? The disciples were not protected against often horrendous deaths.

So what does God protect us against?

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2016, 11:18:59 AM »
Hi
Thanks Serenity good overview lots of good information I'm sure many will benefit by reading it.
I liked the two Psalms you quoted the kind of thing I'm looking for you can find Christ on almost every line good stuff.

So let's make a start .

Colossians 1:16New International Version (NIV)

16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

Here we have the first glimpse of Christ the creater of every thing there is he has been with mankind from the beginning and will be with us to the end.

Isaiah 44:6New International Version (NIV)

The Lord, Not Idols
6 ?This is what the Lord says?
    Israel?s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty:
I am the first and I am the last;
    apart from me there is no God

Love and Peace
Dave

Okay, I know I might be opening up a can of worms here and I do know it has been discussed before too, but it still pops into my mind and maybe it will never be clear, but like a scab I can't help picking at certain things. Maybe one day it will be straight in my mind.

Okay I rambling - I'll get to the point :D. So if Jesus created everything did He create evil? - or just the potential for evil? He presumably created the devil?

I guess there is also the question of who created God/Jesus? and yeah I know I not likely to find the answer to that one in this world. God always was I am guessing? Kind of a mind blowing concept to get my head around though.

I think to try and understand my own questions here - the potential for evil came about due to 'free will' maybe?

Musing as ever and as I stated I am aware these topics have been discussed before, but doesn't stop them popping up in my head :embarrassed:

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Re: Genesis and the OT
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2016, 03:47:41 PM »
Hi Seeker you said
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Okay I rambling - I'll get to the point :D. So if Jesus created everything did He create evil? - or just the potential for evil? He presumably created the devil?

I guess there is also the question of who created God/Jesus? and yeah I know I not likely to find the answer to that one in this world. God always was I am guessing? Kind of a mind blowing concept to get my head around though.

I think to try and understand my own questions here - the potential for evil came about due to 'free will' maybe?

Musing as ever and as I stated I am aware these topics have been discussed before, but doesn't stop them popping up in my head :embarrassed:
- See more at: http://www.1faith.co.uk/bible-buddies/genesis-and-the-ot/#msg54888 

the devil was an heavenly being as Isaiah tells us.

Isa 14:12  How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

So he must have been created by God but he fell through disobedience he wanted to be God that's why he is doing his best to turn mankind from God to himself and doing a pretty good job of it.
As for free will i believe it's essential without it we could not choose to Love God or obey him.

Back to topic so Adam was created in Gods image and Paul tells us Adam and Christ are alike thats before the fall  of couse.

1Co 15:45  And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

So Adam would resemble Christ in many ways and visa versa if we take the creation of Eve the bible tells us

 Gen 2:21  And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22  And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Very reminiscent of what happened at the crucifixion when the Roman soldier pierced our lords side and the water and blood ran out and the Church the bride of Christ his helper was created.
when the soldier pierced our lords side he was dead a deep sleep for God to bring Eve to Adam he had to wake him up reminiscent of the resurrection.

So in the very beginning of the bible we have the prophecy of the death and resurrection played out for us in the story of Adam and Eve plus we have the words of Isaiah to back it up.

 Isa 46:9  Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isa 46:10  Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Yes the end from the beginning.

Love and Peace
Dave       
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