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Re: What is doctrine and why is it important?
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2016, 07:50:34 AM »
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It goes back to knowing how the Holy Spirit in you testifies to you, if what you are hearing is Truth or not.  Remember the road to Emmaus.  The two disciples admitted their hearts were burning when Jesus was speaking the Truth to them of the Scriptures.  They didn't recognise him, but something in them 'reacted' to hearing the Truth either way. 

There are signs and clues in the bible to give you an idea of what will happen when God speaks to you.  I don't understand why people don't, when they have been shown a way.

I do get what you are saying Serenity, but do you think we could never be fooled? That is my musing. Yes we become more confident in hearing God, we get to know His voice, but does that mean we don't ever make mistakes - that is what I am musing.

Hhmmmmm trying to think of how to word - sometimes some seem overly sure of themselves and they say it is God. Perhaps it is God. Is it God in all cases? What of those that either set out to deceive us, or are deluded themselves? Hhmmmmmm even the Bible talks about people being deceived. Matthew 24:24 'For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.'

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Re: What is doctrine and why is it important?
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2016, 10:55:11 AM »
I do get what you are saying Serenity, but do you think we could never be fooled? That is my musing. Yes we become more confident in hearing God, we get to know His voice, but does that mean we don't ever make mistakes - that is what I am musing.

Hhmmmmm trying to think of how to word - sometimes some seem overly sure of themselves and they say it is God. Perhaps it is God. Is it God in all cases? What of those that either set out to deceive us, or are deluded themselves? Hhmmmmmm even the Bible talks about people being deceived. Matthew 24:24 'For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.'
Hi Seeker,
When anyone first comes to Christ, its never because of the intellectual argument. They come because their hearts are convicted or convinced. That conviction of the heart happens because the Holy Spirit bypasses the brain and works directly, Spirit to spirit,. (eg. Road to Emmaus, "did not our hearts burn within us?")

Of course we make mistakes, but isn't that how we all learn. Only a fool places his trust in a church, or a church leader without learning to listen to the spirit for himself. Sadly church leaders don't really want that as it threatens their own leadership status!

As per your previous question and my response on http://www.1faith.co.uk/safeplace-for-newbie-and-wannabie-christians/blasphemy-against-the-holy-spirit/, everyone who rejects their own sensitivity to the Holy Spirit as he prods their heart, will certainly remain dead in sin and guilty until the day they repent.
That's what blasphemy against the spirit means!

But believers, having responded to the Lord by the hearing of the spirit, immediately join the church and live the remainder of their christian life by hearing of the brain!

And therein lies the problem, the typical church model acts as if our faith walk depends on how much christian knowledge they can ram into our heads. This completely ignores what Jesus said about little children exceeding adults when it comes to seeing the kingdom of God.

So back to your question. Deception is a massive problem in the church, because even if trying to keep their brain awake throughout sermons, they are spiritually asleep to discernment. They eat whatever pap and nonsense they are spoon fed from the pulpit because the leader says it, and he knows best!

No matter how exciting and "spiritual" the worship might be at church, if the saints are not encouraged to hear his voice and walk hand in hand with God the rest of the week, they are no different to non christians!

If we first came to Christ by the spirit, why do we expect to grow by the intellect?

Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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