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Re: What is doctrine and why is it important?
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2016, 02:14:17 AM »
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There is a reason for Pentecost ...
There is a reason for the Holy Spirit...
There is a reason for the Gifts of the Holy Spirit...
There is a reason for the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

Yes that must be the main doctrine

Surely the Fruit of the Holy Spirit  would include "stayabiltity" ? I believe the bible calls it "endurance" or "perseverance"



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Re: What is doctrine and why is it important?
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2016, 02:26:18 AM »
Yes dawn, I think we all have our passions and convictions, I do hope you come back, if you do not, I pray you peace and love in Christ on your journey with Him.

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Re: What is doctrine and why is it important?
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2016, 09:45:48 AM »
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Surely the Fruit of the Holy Spirit  would include "stayabiltity" ? I believe the bible calls it "endurance" or "perseverance"

See in the Bible the Tree of Life is representative of Jesus.  Jesus is the central theme where the Holy Spirit is concerned.  You eat the 'fruit' of this tree and the gifts which are borne from above, help to feed the flock in building one another up.  The stayability factor in it all, is the fact you are rooted in Jesus, whom is rooted through all things.  He descended before He ascended as to fill the whole universe.   If you heart faith is in Him, then it stands to reason He will lead you into Truth, because you are being fed by Him, taking from the Tree of Life.

Then look in Ezekiel to the tree in there.

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Re: What is doctrine and why is it important?
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2016, 11:49:02 AM »

Well there you are Dawn, doctrine clearly divides people when it shouldn't.

The one and only thing that truly unites believers is the Holy Spirit working through a crucified heart.

I really enjoyed your posts Dawn, so please don't give up just because of doctrinal differences.

May I suggest you also peek at http://www.1faith.co.uk/safeplace-for-newbie-and-wannabie-christians/salvation-and-born-again-nonsense/
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: What is doctrine and why is it important?
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2016, 07:45:33 AM »
I find the idea of this thread interesting, but obviously don't want an argument. I can quite clearly see that doctrine can and does divide :sad:

I do find the varying Christian view points kind of confusing at times and at one point such really got to me; not as much now, because I know that although people often consider their own 'pet' doctrine of great importance (and it might be to them), it often isn't that important to me - as in I don't need a particular doctrine to be saved do I?

It is interesting that recently God kept bugging me to read Galatians - so I did, the basic gist of that book seemed to be saying, you've been saved by Christ, so why are you now buying into all these extra rules, etc - Christ Jesus is enough!

However even though I don't get as hung up on doctrine as I used to, I do still find it interesting. Many years back when I mentioned to someone that I was confused about all the varying things that Christians believed and didn't know what to believe, they recommended a book called 'The Mosaic of Christian Belief - Twenty Centuries of Unity and Diversity' by Roger E. Olson. I haven't found it the easiest going book, maybe because of the way it is written, or maybe because of the difficult subject matter and I still haven't read it all (have other reading stuff on the go). However it is an good book from the point of view that it discusses what is generally accepted by Christians and has Bible back up and then it also discusses other beliefs within Christianity which are not as widely accepted and don't have as much Bible back up.

I guess at the end of the day, some things we just guess at?

Obviously it is nice when God reveals things, but in my experience He doesn't reveal everything in one go, well not to me anyways :D

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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2016, 12:51:25 PM »
I haven't read Roger Olsen's book, but I have one called "Across the Spectrum" (by Boyd & Eddy) which sounds quite similar.

I found it quite an eye-opener. Especially if you have grown up in one particular church tradition, it can come as quite a shock to discover that other Christians can see things in a quite different way.

Whether we like it or not, we all have 'doctrines' - it's just that some doctrines have the sanction of professional theologians and the approval of denominations, and others don't. Although it's attractive to us post-modern humans to 'plough our own furrow' (because we naturally admire independence), in philosophical terms there is a degree of safety in numbers. There is such a thing as false doctrine, and the Bible warns us against it. But of course, those who teach false doctrine do not realise that it's false.
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Re: What is doctrine and why is it important?
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2016, 09:30:03 AM »
I haven't read Roger Olsen's book, but I have one called "Across the Spectrum" (by Boyd & Eddy) which sounds quite similar.

I found it quite an eye-opener. Especially if you have grown up in one particular church tradition, it can come as quite a shock to discover that other Christians can see things in a quite different way.

Whether we like it or not, we all have 'doctrines' - it's just that some doctrines have the sanction of professional theologians and the approval of denominations, and others don't. Although it's attractive to us post-modern humans to 'plough our own furrow' (because we naturally admire independence), in philosophical terms there is a degree of safety in numbers. There is such a thing as false doctrine, and the Bible warns us against it. But of course, those who teach false doctrine do not realise that it's false.

Therein lies the danger - how would I know if I was teaching or buying into a false doctrine?

I guess it back to discernment and praying. Clinging to God and hoping and praying I won't be led astray, by myself, or others. It is possible? So if I was led astray, the next hope and prayer would be forgiveness and to get back on track with God? I am musing aloud here.

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Re: What is doctrine and why is it important?
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2016, 11:50:24 PM »
It goes back to knowing how the Holy Spirit in you testifies to you, if what you are hearing is Truth or not.  Remember the road to Emmaus.  The two disciples admitted their hearts were burning when Jesus was speaking the Truth to them of the Scriptures.  They didn't recognise him, but something in them 'reacted' to hearing the Truth either way. 

There are signs and clues in the bible to give you an idea of what will happen when God speaks to you.  I don't understand why people don't, when they have been shown a way.

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