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Re: The Final Feast
« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2016, 10:21:16 AM »
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The Danger of Safety,

There are a lot of people talking about safety these days.  In fact, we are bombarded by messages about safety all the time. It seems like we live in a constant state of "the next thing to fear."   

However, I would like to state that there is nothing "safe" about being a christian as it pertains to the world in which we live.  In fact, only one of the 12 apostles died a natural death. Everyone else, including the apostle Paul was martyred.  However even that one that was not martyred, John the apostle, was dipped in a vat of boiling oil and he did not die only because God saved him.

It is written,

'Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."

2 timothy 3:12

That is the "norm" of the christian experience if you are really sold out to God. 

Therefore, safety is not the norm for christian and, in fact, if there is no persecution of any kind in your life it is questionable if you are living for God at all. If you follow the Holy Spirit you will always find that you are on the opposite side of the world because the world is on the opposite side of the Holy Spirit.

The only true safety we have is in God.  That safety is our salvation.  We have been graciously saved from a fate literally worse than death:  the Lake of Fire.  Everything else is small potatoes compared to that. 

God bless,

Michael King

I do get what you are saying Michael, however I am trying to balance the above with bits in the Bible such as Jeremiah 29:11 'For I know the plans I have for you,? declares the Lord, ?plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.' and other such verses, like Psalm 37:4 'Delight yourself in the Lord,
    and he will give you the desires of your heart.'

Such verses and others seem to imply God wants his children to be happy and to prosper and yet there are other verses and indications that, yes as you said we will suffer, as such is inevitable.

I guess I am just trying to balance such things.

I have come across some that think Christians should be happy, happy, joy, joy all the time and if you are not, then you must have done something wrong and God is punishing you (and other such ideas), then at the other extreme end some Christians believe you have to be in constant torment and pain, because that proves you are doing God's work, which is almost similar to what you wrote above (I'm not saying you meant it to come across that way), but your line that says  'Therefore, safety is not the norm for christian and, in fact, if there is no persecution of any kind in your life it is questionable if you are living for God at all. If you follow the Holy Spirit you will always find that you are on the opposite side of the world because the world is on the opposite side of the Holy Spirit.' seems to imply such, as well as other bits in your post.

So which is it? or is it a balance of the two? I know my life is not plain sailing and I know that being a Christian is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. However I also know that compared to some in this world my life is good - I wouldn't say perfect, but sometimes we forget how good we have it compared to some and then should I even be comparing myself to others at all? I am just aware some have it worse, but on the other hand some have it better. So should I be wishing, striving, hoping for a harder life, because this will possibly prove I am more affective in/for God? Or should I be seeking, hoping for things to become better, because others believe that this is a reflection/indication of God working in my life?

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Re: The Final Feast
« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2016, 10:41:26 AM »
I do get what you are saying Michael, however I am trying to balance the above with bits in the Bible such as Jeremiah 29:11 'For I know the plans I have for you,? declares the Lord, ?plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.' and other such verses, like Psalm 37:4 'Delight yourself in the Lord,
    and he will give you the desires of your heart.'

Such verses and others seem to imply God wants his children to be happy and to prosper and yet there are other verses and indications that, yes as you said we will suffer, as such is inevitable.

I guess I am just trying to balance such things.


The verse quoted from Jeremiah comes from his letter to the exiles in Babylon - people who had just been uprooted from their homes and dragged across 500 miles of desert, people who were never going to see their homeland again, people who believed they had been cut off from God's good purpose for ever.

The 'good' that God intended to do them was not the 'good' that they would have wanted, but something more long-term. It was a good that could only be achieved through suffering. And it is the same for us.

Perhaps 'balance' is the wrong thing to be aiming for on this subject. The Bible shows us a great variety of godly people and their lives. Some (like Abraham) were generally prosperous. Others suffered a great deal for little reward in this life. Neither extreme is the 'norm'; we are being shown that either extreme is possible. Whatever kind of life God gives us, He also gives us the grace to glorify Him through it.
"Blessed is the one who always trembles before God,
but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble." (Proverbs 28:14)

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Re: The Final Feast
« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2016, 06:04:59 PM »
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For instance, many times when I tell a pastor that I believe that God is one and that the trinity is Heresy they persecute me.

At least God's shoulders are broad enough ah

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Re: The Final Feast
« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2016, 07:01:31 PM »
Well as the song lyrics go ... love is a temple, it is a higher law.

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Re: The Final Feast
« Reply #60 on: January 28, 2016, 10:59:09 AM »
Godpress,

Continuing on my thoughts about "Open Source Tabernacles Theology" I was thinking today about "crowd sourced Christianity."   When you think of it, at least in this gentile church age, the one constant, the one common denominator, is the Holy Spirit whether He is with you or in you. 

Right now everyone is worried a lot about being right.  They are concerned with correct doctrine.  I want to say to you that it does not matter how "correct" your doctrine is if, when God knocks at your door, you don't let Him in.  The person who knows no doctrine and does the will of the Holy Spirit is better than a doctor of the law who will not listen to God's voice. 

With an open source theology it does not matter how correct people are.  They can use whatever part of it they wish, that they find useful, and believe what they want to believe.  It liberates people from having to be the doctrine police.  They take the source code, which is the Tabernacles teaching, hook into God in whatever way works for them, and then they give it a go.  When they, as it were, builds a little Holy Spirit widget and it works really well then other people in the community will see that and try it on for size themselves.  If what they have made through they Holy Spirit works really well for everyone then it is incorporated into the Tabernacles open sources Theology. 

This model would return theology to the people and allow the Holy Spirit to lead and guide all of us.  It would completely bypass the religious structures of our day and allow direct access to the biblical source code i.e. the Holy Spirit.  In this scenario I would not care whether someone believed just like me because that would be between them and God.  If a bunch of people don't believe exactly like me then no big deal.  The point is, that listening, hearing, and obey God works for everyone, everywhere, anytime.  Why not let God have control and so that He can have His way?   

This is really kewl...this is huge.  I am going to have to think about this a lot more.

God bless,

Michael King

Reading the above, this sprang to mind Psalm 34:8 'Taste and see that the Lord is good;
    blessed is the one who takes refuge in him.'

I could be wrong, but you were basically saying, 'try it and see'?

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Re: The Final Feast
« Reply #61 on: January 28, 2016, 07:11:02 PM »
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In essence yes.  Lets return the experience of God to the people of God and take it out of the hands of those who restrict what God can and cannot do.  We are so restricted by doctrine right now we can hardly even fellowship with one another.

I agree.

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Re: The Final Feast
« Reply #62 on: January 29, 2016, 09:22:54 AM »
Your post has me thinking of some stuff I posted other day in doctrines thread...
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There are threads in the forums, where people discussed denominations and unity...it was far from unified, these are good examples of the divisions various doctrines create, unnecessarily.  Especially when the doctrines created shouldn't be a doctrine. 

This is why it is better to encourage one another to build one another up, and not discuss divisions.

There is a reason for Pentecost ...
There is a reason for the Holy Spirit...
There is a reason for the Gifts of the Holy Spirit...
There is a reason for the fruits of the Holy Spirit. 


This is a common theme that everyone agrees on, start there and then let the Spirit of God build you up and teach you, rather than a manmade doctrine set up being your head covering, instead of Christ. 

God is our master at the end of the day, if people follow Him, who am I to say they are not a Christian?.....

See in the Bible the Tree of Life is representative of Jesus.  Jesus is the central theme where the Holy Spirit is concerned.  You eat the 'fruit' of this tree and the gifts which are borne from above, help to feed the flock in building one another up.  The stayability factor in it all, is the fact you are rooted in Jesus, whom is rooted through all things.  He descended before He ascended as to fill the whole universe.   If you heart faith is in Him, then it stands to reason He will lead you into Truth, because you are being fed by Him, taking from the Tree of Life.

Then look in Ezekiel to the tree in there.

God bless

TJ

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Re: The Final Feast
« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2016, 12:37:33 AM »
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I would like to start posting some practical as well as theological insights about hearing the voice of God and being led by His Spirit - See more at: http://www.1faith.co.uk/articulate/the-final-feast/#sthash.IjArjt42.dpuf

@tribalchristian  Can't wait to hear more   :D






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