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                    There are about 450 UK troops acting in mentoring and support roles in Afghanistan
               

           

British military personnel have been deployed to Afghanistan's Helmand province as reports suggest the Taliban is close to overrunning Sangin town.

The Ministry of Defence said a small number of personnel had been sent to Camp Shorabak in Helmand in an "advisory role".

They will not be in combat and are part of a larger Nato team, the MoD said.

UK combat operations in Afghanistan ended last year, but around 450 troops remain in mentoring and support roles.

In the east, a Taliban suicide bombing near Bagram killed six US soldiers on Monday in one of the deadliest attacks on foreign forces in Afghanistan this year.

Helmand's governor, Mirza Khan Rahimi, insisted the authorities were still in control of Sangin, in Helmand province, but his own deputy said the town had been overrun by Taliban militants. 

The police headquarters reportedly remains under siege on Tuesday morning after a Taliban attack.

A spokeswoman for the MoD said the troops were being deployed as part of the UK's "ongoing contribution" to Nato's Resolute Support mission. 

                                                                                                   

"These personnel are part of a larger Nato team which is providing advice to the Afghan National Army. They are not deployed in a combat role and will not deploy outside the camp," she added.


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                    British military personnel have been supporting the Afghan National Army
               

           

By Jonathan Marcus, BBC defence correspondent

Helmand province is familiar to thousands of British service personnel; the town of Sangin having a special symbolic significance. More than 100 British soldiers were killed in the struggle for Sangin before responsibility for the area was handed over to the Americans in 2010.

Nato's combat operations in Afghanistan are supposed to be over. But the Afghan security forces are hard-pressed and suffer deficiencies in a variety of areas from logistics to the lack of any significant air power of their own. The Taliban's advance - and not just in Helmand - has highlighted the weakness of the Afghan authorities too.

And now there is a new factor, with elements sympathetic to the so-called Islamic State also putting down roots. Many will argue Afghanistan was forgotten too quickly. Some fear the country could go the way of Syria.

Afghan refugees are now the second largest category of asylum seekers in Europe. Both Nato and the Americans may need to rethink the scope of their mission with some urgency.

Why is Sangin important?

Who are the Taliban?


But the Times reports the deployment includes at least one SAS unit of around 30 soldiers who are backing efforts by the American special forces and Afghan National Army to take control of the town.

The MoD refuses to comment on any operations potentially involving the SAS.

Maj Richard Streatfield, who spent seven months in Sangin in 2009 and 2010 with the Rifles, told the BBC it was "hugely disappointing" to see the town under threat again.

"I won't deny, on a personal level, it does make you wonder - was it worth it?" he said.

"Because if the people we were trying to free Afghanistan from are now able to just take it back within two years, that shows that something went badly wrong at the operational and strategic level."

Some 12,000 foreign soldiers are deployed as part of the Nato-led Resolute Support international coalition, which is meant to underpin Afghanistan's own security forces.

The battle for Sangin comes a little over a year after the end of UK combat operations in Afghanistan.

More than 450 British personnel have died there since 2001, with the heaviest losses suffered in and around Sangin. 


                                                                                               

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Re: [Newsview]UK military deployed to Helmand[military]
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2015, 12:51:36 PM »


I think, if honest, we all knew that we would never beat the Taliban..  How do you defeat a guerilla organisation?  When pressed hard they simply melt away, only to return later, as they did when the Russians invaded.  "Those who do not learn from history, are condemned to relive it," to paraphrase.  Yes, our men and women died for nothing:  we cannot beat them militarily.
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Re: [Newsview]UK military deployed to Helmand[military]
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2015, 01:06:12 PM »

I think, if honest, we all knew that we would never beat the Taliban..  How do you defeat a guerilla organisation?  When pressed hard they simply melt away, only to return later, as they did when the Russians invaded.  "Those who do not learn from history, are condemned to relive it," to paraphrase.  Yes, our men and women died for nothing:  we cannot beat them militarily.

In general I agree with you Anthony. However our involvement in the Malayan emergency in 1948 to 1960 against communist guerillas was a huge landmark success in how to handle such events.
Unfortunately any lesson learned then has been long forgotten, but it makes interesting reading.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: [Newsview]UK military deployed to Helmand[military]
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2015, 02:39:09 PM »
Hi
Most probably the only way is to destroy there ideology easer said than done would they listen, I don't think killing them is the answer we've been doing that for some time don't work we need to attack there way of thinking what dose the peaceful  side of Islam say about it if they made an effort could they have an effect.

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