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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2015, 06:51:34 PM »

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How to conduct a gracious christian conversation by Jesus4Me.

The simplest way is to accuse everyone else of arguing. That way there's no need to address facts and it makes you look really important.

The first of the put downs for both TJs and Serenity in post No 25-
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You, Just like TJs, have missed the whole point, and I think you only want to argue.

The same put down you gave me in post No 27-
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You just want to argue

And another put down for me in Post No 28.-
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As I told you in my previous post, You just want to argue.

And another put down for Serenity today in post No31.-
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IT's as simple as that, But you want to argue instead of agreeing.

Have you got that TJ, Serenity, and Francis, stop arguing and agree with J4M, or just shut up. And that goes for anyone else who might have ideas.

There's a whole load of posts here that actually agree with your OP, but you are so obsessed with being at the top of the heap that you just have to stamp everyone down for not bowing before your exalted status.

Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2015, 08:28:53 PM »
Well I did like your original post j4m, and I honestly don't just want to argue, your opening post clearly raised other points you weren't anticipating.  I do question things, and people's posts, threads lead my mind to think of other points, just way I am, I cant apologise for that.

What I will do is extrapolate the various interesting new points raised and start a new thread, will remove any misunderstandings.  I will also copy and paste at the end of this your original post, to get your thread back on track for you.
Have a peaceful Christmas, God bless.

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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2015, 08:31:39 PM »
 

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Abraham, Gen 22: 5.
Abraham was about to sacrifice Isaac Believing that God would   raise him back up,
Heb 11: 17?17. He knew what the end result would be,  so he said to his young men,
?Wait here and I and the lad will go and worship, AND COME AGAIN to you?. Gen 22: 5.

A Shunamite woman, 2 Kings 4: 23, & v26.
Here son had died and her husband asked how will she find the man of God, and in v 23 she said, ?It shall be well?, Knowing that once she found the Prophet of God, it will be well.
Then in v 26, Gehazi asked her ?Is it well with you?, is it well with thy husband? And is it well with they child?,  And she said, ?IT IS WELL?, But it wasn?t was it?, unless you know the end result, and she did.  Here son was raised to life again. V34?37.

A Centurion, Matt 8: 5?8, He knew the authority in the spoken word, v 9. and he said,
?Speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed?, He knew the end result of Jesus?s word would be the healing of his servant, And it was, v 13.

The woman with the blood flow, Mk 5: 25?29.
She knew the end result of touching the garment of Jesus, would be her healing. And it was,
Jesus said in v 34, ?Thy faith has made thee whole?,  NOTE, what she said, was her faith speaking.

Jesus, Jn 11:
Jesus said the sickness of Lazarus was not unto death, But he died, was Jesus telling lies, or was He speaking the end result?. He knew the end result would be the resurrection of Lazarus.
And it was. V43?44.

NOTE, Martha and Mary had a faith for the pest, ?If you had been here?, Vs 21 & 32.
Martha also had a faith for the future,
?I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day?, v 24.
But Jesus bought the faith into the NOW, ?I AM the resurrection, and the life?.
Some people have faith in the past miracles of Jesus, and others believe Jesus will do miracles in the future, But Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever, Heb 13: 8. That means because Jesus did miracles in His earthly Ministry, He will do them today and forever.
If we believe, we will see the glory of God, Jn 11:

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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2015, 09:38:52 AM »
How to conduct a gracious christian conversation by Jesus4Me.

The simplest way is to accuse everyone else of arguing. That way there's no need to address facts and it makes you look really important.

The first of the put downs for both TJs and Serenity in post No 25-
The same put down you gave me in post No 27-
And another put down for me in Post No 28.-
And another put down for Serenity today in post No31.-
Have you got that TJ, Serenity, and Francis, stop arguing and agree with J4M, or just shut up. And that goes for anyone else who might have ideas.

There's a whole load of posts here that actually agree with your OP, but you are so obsessed with being at the top of the heap that you just have to stamp everyone down for not bowing before your exalted status.


Telling people the truth, Isn't putting them down, and as for, "having  to go way beyond mere , "knowing stuff", as someone said, is an open door for the devil to oblige people. Once you and other people realize what, "Knowing",  is, you will know that "Knowing" is the way to victory.
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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2015, 09:45:09 AM »
Well I did like your original post j4m, and I honestly don't just want to argue, your opening post clearly raised other points you weren't anticipating.  I do question things, and people's posts, threads lead my mind to think of other points, just way I am, I cant apologise for that.

What I will do is extrapolate the various interesting new points raised and start a new thread, will remove any misunderstandings.  I will also copy and paste at the end of this your original post, to get your thread back on track for you.
Have a peaceful Christmas, God bless.


What started it was, someone said, "having  to go way beyond mere , knowing stuff".
But obviously that person doesn't know what knowing is. Faith is knowing, My title could have just as easy be, "People who believed the end result would be victory".
To pray without knowing that God will do it, Is an insult to God, True faith knows the end result, Mk 11: 24.
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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2015, 01:52:45 PM »


Lets take one example given .eg:

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Abraham, Gen 22: 5.
Abraham was about to sacrifice Isaac Believing that God would   raise him back up,
Heb 11: 17?17. He knew what the end result would be,  so he said to his young men,
?Wait here and I and the lad will go and worship, AND COME AGAIN to you?. Gen 22: 5.

Not much is said of Isaac in the story...yet Isaac was the one willing to sacrifice his life in obedience to the Father

John 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.

Not sure if Abraham did know the end result - otherwise - what was the point in taking Isaac to the altar [if he [Abraham] knew he would be stopped]

All Abraham assumed was that "God could raise people from the dead" if.....

Another theology - is that "the Godhead do not need faith"




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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2015, 01:59:51 PM »
Furthermore and further on down the pathway.................

How can it be faith when we know the end result ?

Walking out in faith to me often is "blind faith"  and I cannot see the path ahead

[I had a dream last night and I was in a room and the only light was the lamp I had -

I noticed several things while I was in this room !  firstly the darkness was not dark without light - it was of much more substance - like a thick darkness or a wall of.....

I had lamps before me to light the room and show the way ahead]


Peter stepping out of the boat ? Matthew 14:29  now he didn't know - did he ? in fact he started to sink.


I have often fallen flat on my own face many times when walking through the dark places in my life

Because by faith I follow Jesus - but I have not got a clue where I am going

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Re: People who knew the end result
« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2015, 02:04:55 PM »
Hi
Nice post J4ME I think the secret of peace is knowing all things will work out for our good not jest believing but actually knowing that all things will turn out as God has promised  in his word.

Love and Peace
Dave

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I feel I must apologise for this post as it seams to  have started world war 3 I don't really understand why it was never meant to be controversial I know we will never agree on all things but can we agree on one thing to Love one another.
And don't forget there are a lot who come on here and read these posts what will they think when they see us fighting and squabbling like small children, can't we write our posts without making it personal if you most have a slanging match can't it be done in privet via e-mail.

Love and Peace
dave       

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